Pro/Con Discussion: What if Holy was like Cure 3?

[NobleWinter]

I wouldn't mind getting something else like Aero 3 back to cast at a range but I like Holy as it is now. It would definitely be easier to target things from a distance but it wouldn't feel as epic.I think if anything gets addresses it needs to be how similar the aoe skills are Sage and Scholar. Phlegma should have been the spammable skill for Sage making them stay at a melee-ish range with Dysraksia being the short cooldown. That would at least have made the combat feel very different in dungeons.

[Renathras]

I think you're missing my point as well. It doesn't matter if a spell can optionally be cast on me. If I'm casting it on a mob and that mob dies before the cast finishes, the spell won't go off and that's a pretty big DPS loss for Gravity over time if you're chewing through trash quickly. If that was something that could be addressed and changed then I would lift my objection for sure, but personally I'd still miss the risk/reward of Holy TBH.

Right, but that's what I'm saying: If you target yourself/the Tank/a DPS and run into the pack and start casting Holy, the Holy would cast on you just like now. It wouldn't get interrupted unless you died, so it wouldn't be affected by if enemies die since it wouldn't be targeting an enemy.

In fact, this was one of the key considerations to my thinking of this idea. I do Hunt Trains a lot, and during REALLY busy times (even numbered patches, the first month or so of a new expansion), it becomes impossible to hit the thing. Sometimes the Marks don't even load in. So I'm a HUGE fan of untargeted AOEs. Run in, spam the AOE a time or two or three to make sure you've knicked the Mark, then spam AOE healing (Cure 3/Medica/Medica 2/etc) to get full contribution for your party. And having run AST some in dungeons, it is hella annoying when the target dies mid-cast (granted, that's true of even single target casts, but tends to happen less often since single target "big" enemies or bosses tend not to melt so quickly), which is why I thought that including the "self-target" option would be so important.

I wouldn't mind getting something else like Aero 3 back to cast at a range but I like Holy as it is now. It would definitely be easier to target things from a distance but it wouldn't feel as epic.I think if anything gets addresses it needs to be how similar the aoe skills are Sage and Scholar. Phlegma should have been the spammable skill for Sage making them stay at a melee-ish range with Dysraksia being the short cooldown. That would at least have made the combat feel very different in dungeons.

So should Aero 3 be a point blank cast centered on the WHM?

If it should be castable at range...why shouldn't Holy? (Not trying to be antagonistic, just curious how that would make sense...)

I do agree with Plegma, though. Dyskrasia being Art of War with a different visual is just such an odd design choice. Heck, they could have made Dyskrasia work like Cure 3 and been the target or self centered one. At least then it'd be...different.

EDIT:

I just want holy to have a 1.5s cast time so I can weave ogcds with it

Wouldn't that make it too much like Gravity?

[NobleWinter]

The stun from Holy feels like a divine consequence. Get too close to a WHM and you're forced to grovel at their feet. Aero 3 has no crowd control and since it's just mild damage over time it felt appropriate to be cast at a range. That's all head canon for me and has nothing to do with ease of execution or quality of life but it's why I don't mind Holy being centered on the player and Aero 3 being a ranged targeted cast. Misery is incredibly powerful but it has no stun so the same logic applies.

[Amenara]

Wouldn't that make it too much like Gravity?

I like it being an aoe centered on myself, I just want a faster cast time...