SE Please don't destroy Sage like the other healers

[Faidid]

After the 4.0 SCH was deleted and remade like some kind of a sad parody of what Hydaelyn did to Zodiark, I finally sucked it up and tried the Sage on this fresh character and am very impressed. Is it perfect? No. But, it's far more fun than the other jobs to me...which, makes me nervous that SE will absolutely target and break it too. For the first time in a while I think I've found a job that I enjoy playing.

Maybe I shouldn't be so paranoid, but I honestly wonder if they even want healers to have fun or if we should just play like automatons spamming 1-button endlessly in silence. Sorta feels like a video game version of "You'll own nothing and be happy," kinda thing--but, please Square...don't try to fix Sage and/or change it. Just leave it be if you don't mind!

Focus your energies on AST and SCH instead

[Mesarthim]

It's not like Sage has riveting gameplay. it's just a copy and pasted SCH with less jank due to no fairy. The job still has a few odd design choices of its own because they do not or cannot innovate with healers.

[ty_taurus]

When the package you ordered arrived in pieces.

[Rein_eon_Osborne]

Damn I must be playing SGE incorrectly then? So many 1 2 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 still, doesn't feel different from the its sibling healers. U_U

[NobleWinter]

Sage has a gap closer and they get to keep their Addersgall even when they die as it continues to generate. That's what I like about Sage. I'm struggling to see what else could make it feel so superior to the other Healers. I guess shielding on the move is cool too. I main Scholar myself so I've learned to heal despite the cast times and now I don't even think about it.

[Faidid]

Damn I must be playing SGE incorrectly then? So many 1 2 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 still, doesn't feel different from the its sibling healers. U_U

I like being able to bounce between shielding and healing while using my dot as a defacto regen before spamming my same ole' basic dps button though...that's why I said it's not perfect. But, if SE starts stripping the job down like it's done the others I imagine the things I like about this job too will be destroyed.

Button spamming is the worst design ever and I absolutely hate that Yoshi did this to healers. No mistake--but, Sage is least boring of the 4 and for that I'm happy!

[ty_taurus]

I like being able to bounce between shielding and healing while using my dot as a defacto regen before spamming my same ole' basic dps button though...that's why I said it's not perfect. But, if SE starts stripping the job down like it's done the others I imagine the things I like about this job too will be destroyed.

Button spamming is the worst design ever and I absolutely hate that Yoshi did this to healers. No mistake--but, Sage is least boring of the 4 and for that I'm happy!

I mean, I'm not gonna tell you you're not allowed to enjoy it, and if you love the job, then that's awesome. But I just feel confused. I've dumped many hours into SGE because I am obsessed with its aesthetic and style, and I have no idea what it has that the other healers don't have. If Toxikon wasn't one of the most useless buttons in the entire game, maybe it'd be a step above the others, but it actually feels like it has less to work with than everyone else despite being the healer that heals by attacking.

I actually have no idea if it's possible to make SGE more boring. I guess you could take away Phelgma if you wanted to ruin the job, but what else is there?

[Renathras]

This thread is an example of what I've said about this forum for a bit. Someone comes in and says they like something, and people jumping on the bandwagon to tell them they're wrong.

It's not like Sage has riveting gameplay. it's just a copy and pasted SCH with less jank due to no fairy. The job still has a few odd design choices of its own because they do not or cannot innovate with healers.

...the first suggesting the player is wrong to think it's interesting, the second saying he's wrong for thinking it and SCH are different (they are), and the third using the opportunity to attack the Devs.

When the package you ordered arrived in pieces.

Not ENTIRELY clear, but definitely disagreement (I think you were going for "SGE could have been this great thing it was billed as but failed at meeting that expectation/archetype"?)

Damn I must be playing SGE incorrectly then? So many 1 2 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 still, doesn't feel different from the its sibling healers. U_U

A somewhat hyperbolic opening which is also expressing disagreement, a ridicule of what the other player sees as enjoyable, and a statement of conflicting opinion that is only justified in the most tenuous way possible (comparing to the core DPS rotation...on a Healer.)

Sage has a gap closer and they get to keep their Addersgall even when they die as it continues to generate. That's what I like about Sage. I'm struggling to see what else could make it feel so superior to the other Healers. I guess shielding on the move is cool too. I main Scholar myself so I've learned to heal despite the cast times and now I don't even think about it.

This was the only post that wasn't really that, and noted how they could see some of what the OP meant and wasn't outright calling him out as wrong in some way.

...oh, to answer this one; SGE leans on AG while SCH avoids AF heals/mits, SGE has mobile shielding which can be a DPS gain if long movement is needed and you don't have some other tools (you can use the Toxicon generated and this can kinda be shoehorned into WHM Lily use back in ShB as a movement option) where SCH would want to use a Ruin 2 and (if available) Energy Drain, SGE doesn't have to give up Kardia to generate AG, but can only generate 1 with its 90 sec CD vs SCH generating 3 at the cost of Eos going away for 30 sec, and SGE's GCD shields are more responsive (by about 1.5 sec, which can sometimes matter) than SCH's. SGE's oGCDs are often also more direct and "what's on the tin" than SCH's. And aesthetically, they have a completely different feel to them with SGE being more lasers and forcefields with SCH leaning more into power words, glyphs, and magical sphere barriers.

I mean, I'm not gonna tell you you're not allowed to enjoy it, and if you love the job, then that's awesome. But I just feel confused. I've dumped many hours into SGE because I am obsessed with its aesthetic and style, and I have no idea what it has that the other healers don't have. If Toxikon wasn't one of the most useless buttons in the entire game, maybe it'd be a step above the others, but it actually feels like it has less to work with than everyone else despite being the healer that heals by attacking.

I actually have no idea if it's possible to make SGE more boring. I guess you could take away Phelgma if you wanted to ruin the job, but what else is there?

You were nice enough (and I mean that legitimately, not sarcastically) to say it's fine and even awesome if he likes it.

As for making SGE more boring - remove Plegma and Pneuma, remove Addersgall and the 4 oGCDs associated with it. And for added points, remove the visual effects on its spells. Those things would collectively make it more boring. Toxicon is a great movement tool, so I'm not at all sure it's "one of the most useless buttons in the entire game"...it's more useful than Ruin 2 and now easier to generate thanks to EuPrognosis breaking on you generating one.

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I dunno, I'm trying to avoid posting in here, but this is the kind of thing I'm talking about where this subforum doesn't seem to allow for people to actually...like Healers.

Or even a single Healer.

Maybe the posters don't intend it to be that way, but...it kinda comes across that way.

[IDontPetLalas]

Lmao,, Renathras jumping in right away to quote people out of context and stir up drama. People have disagreed with OP, so what? I would tend to agree that it doesn't really feel that different from the other healers, and could have some improvement, but if OP likes it, good for them.


"I dunno, I'm trying to avoid posting in here" - what does this even mean? but this is the kind of thing I'm talking about where this subforum doesn't seem to allow for people to actually...like Healers.

Or even a single Healer. Maybe the posters don't intend it to be that way, but...it kinda comes across that way"

OK, this was pretty stale bait by now. Maybe it will work better in the e DPS and tank forums.

[ForsakenRoe]

"I dunno, I'm trying to avoid posting in here" - what does this even mean? but this is the kind of thing I'm talking about where this subforum doesn't seem to allow for people to actually...like Healers.

Cos the last time he was in here he got rolled like pizza dough trying to 'reason' with the biggest example of unenlightened, inconsiderate, generally elitist toxic, etc, player: me. Surprised he came back, not surprised it was to snipe at people for disagreeing with OP's assertion of SGE being fun

As for the topic, I prefer SGE over SCH, not because of one being more 'fun' than the other per se, they're about equal really (not a compliment), but because of aesthetic and functionality. Like, I prefer Kerachole to Soil, I prefer Panhaima to Seraph/Consolation, I prefer Holos to Fey Blessing, and I definitely prefer being able to run from one pack to the next in a dungeon without having to worry about the sudden realization of 'oops I forgot to click Heel, and the fairy despawned itself'