FFXIV Job Design Feedback

[ForsakenRoe]

Gonna have to be more specific on that, namely in terms of in what context and in what thread. Depending on where you put that it's either going to get brushed away or it's going to get paid attention to.

Oh uhh, it was on mainsub, link here

maybe I worded things not so well, I dunno, but an attempt was made

[SargeTheSeagull]

The number of troglodytes who don't know the difference between design and balance is just equally hilarious and depressing.

[Fourbestintoner]

This is where we are, people who thinks you can only balance jobs by making them play the same.

[ty_taurus]

Oh uhh, it was on mainsub, link here

maybe I worded things not so well, I dunno, but an attempt was made

You mentioned sharing the thread on Twitch before. How did that go?

[ForsakenRoe]

You mentioned sharing the thread on Twitch before. How did that go?

Might link the thread on the main sub later if I can think of a way to word it. It's also been posted in MrHappy's Q+A submissions, so it might get read about on the next Mondays with MrHappy episode. That'd be a nice amount of traction for the thread, and a whole video worth of content for him, so I think that's a win-win situation. Also got a few people from a streamer's chat to come in and give their takes (including the streamer). Couldn't think of a way to broach the subject with Zepla's chat though, that was the big one I was hoping to reach, but I've never actually sent a message in her chat (only 4 gift subs for the mount event), so yeh it'd be kinda awkward. Not to mention, she's having fun on Genshin, not thinking about FFXIV, and I feel like making her think about 'current state of the game' would just be a source of frustration

lmao

For slightly more detail, the streamer that I managed to get to look at it was Serenaya Carrin. Was good content for an hour or so, gave him an excuse to not do UWU pugs for a bit. Tried Arthars, he didn't notice the message, one person asked for a link and I whispered it to em (didn't want to post links in twitch chat cos it's potential ban in some streamers chats and idk Arthars rules), didn't try asking again because don't want to be 'that one idiot who keeps spamming'. I've yet to watch MrHappy's latest Mondays w/ MrHappy, so IDK if he saw it or not there. Not tried anyone else yet, as I said before I think the biggest one would be Zepla, but I really don't want to drag her mood down with making her think about the current state of the game, while she's on her Genshin marathon. I do remember seeing her mention she LOVED loved SB AST though (kinda mood, though I was tank at the time, HW AST was my jam though), so she's got some strong opinions about how things are now compared to previously.

edit: MrHappy did in fact see the post which is unexpected. What is completely expected though is his response to it. It's a self-fulfilling cycle. If 'influencers' tell people 'there is no point trying' then people will think 'there is no point trying', and that leads to 'influencers' reading the room and saying 'wow looks like there's no point trying'

[Kisshu]

edit: MrHappy did in fact see the post which is unexpected. What is completely expected though is his response to it. It's a self-fulfilling cycle. If 'influencers' tell people 'there is no point trying' then people will think 'there is no point trying', and that leads to 'influencers' reading the room and saying 'wow looks like there's no point trying'

Mrhappy laughing at the thread went about as well as I imagined it would be. He's done a couple of videos where he looks at the forum and talk down on some threads or call them troll threads (like the big story thread). For him it's mostly just his small group of influence that matters and everything else is mostly wrong.

[ty_taurus]

That was discouraging.

I thought it was really interesting at the very least. Maybe I just shouldn't put it here next time.

[VentVanitas]

I wouldn't get too discouraged honestly, if you've ever seen any video MrHappy has done on jobs then it's always been apparent that he lets changes just wash over him and be easily placated by whatever SE does in that department.

We'll see for ourselves if it doesn't amount to anything or not, considering the state of PvE gameplay is the most forefront criticism the game is facing as of now. Am I huffing copium? Perhaps.

[fulminating]

I mean he’s got his reputation for a reason.

[ForsakenRoe]

That was discouraging.

I thought it was really interesting at the very least. Maybe I just shouldn't put it here next time.

Just think about it the way I do: Endwalker's message was 'never give up, even when all hope seems lost', and that one person can be enough. He seems rather ambivalent, and completely fine with 'the Final Days' destroying things re: Jobs, possibly because it's not happened to a job he mains. As soon as DNC and MNK get obliterated by godawful design decisions, maybe he'd start paying attention more. Or maybe he'd just hop mains to something else

Least Serenaya was willing to look at the responses, even if he disagreed with... basically everybody's suggestions. But that's what surveys are for I guess, finding everyone's responses and finding the gems in the dirtpile