FFXIV Job Design Feedback

[ForsakenRoe]

Absolutely. I would love to get input from other players. I also intend to do another review thread after the media tour on the perception of the revealed changes, and after a week or two when 7.0 launches. These forms will stay open until then.

Oh in that case, I might share it in the chat of some streamers I watch occasionally, didn't want to until express permission was given though. As long as you made a backup of the current data

[Minarisweet]

A little sad SE wont ever bother with surveys like this and not bother with this post either... We wont see any drastic changes to combat in the next expansion.

[Escence]

Any way can increase the size on the written feedback section because in current form it cutting off a good chunk of the written responses.

[ty_taurus]

Any way can increase the size on the written feedback section because in current form it cutting off a good chunk of the written responses.

I have the ability to set a text limit on the written responses, but none of the surveys have that established. If you're hitting a word limit, it's probably a limit on google forms entirely. I was also thinking that I probably should put in a word limit next time I do these actually just because some responses are very large and difficult to display on the feedback spreadsheets without reducing the font size down.

If you're having a difficult time with word limit, I recommend copying your text onto a blank word document and finishing your thoughts there, then go back through the response and find ways to condense the text while still communicating your intentions. It's something I often do whenever I feel like I have a lot to say about something.

[ForsakenRoe]

The workaround I've been using so far is to make a private copy of the sheet, and then that allows me to adjust the size of the cell/zoom/etc. Alternatively, I also used the 'formula bar' method at other times. It's just potentially an issue for if streamers start reacting to it I think, as it's gonna be very difficult for viewers to read along without opening the sheet themselves. Other people viewing the sheet would have workarounds. The other thing is that since '{role} Answers' sheet has these longform answers for all of the jobs in the role, but the 'individual job' sheet ALSO has these same answers, maybe the former is surplus to requirements? Then again, on the 'individual job (BRD)' sheet, that particular answer is hard to read due to it's sheer length. It's only really 'readable' via the formula box trick:

Completely illegible at 100% zoom, and zooming in makes it so the bottom of the cell is off the bottom of the screen (and google sheets sucks and scrolls by one cell per 'scroll interval' instead of a smooth static distance)



See how the answer gets cut off on the right, the cell needs word wrapping but even then it'll potentially look messy due to linebreaks



It's more legible, but still super long

I guess while it's great to have detail, there's such a thing as 'too much detail' and that specific response managed to cross the line. I don't know if it's necessarily a good 'solution' to tell people to make their response fit into a specific character limit. Maybe it's just us getting hung up on aesthetic stuff that doesn't really matter in the grand scheme of things? This specific player clearly feels very strongly about BRD, enough to write that much about it, so I think limiting how they express their feeling about the class to 'say it in X characters or less', something would be lost in the reduction process. Like, I had to reduce what I want for some of the healers because 'what I want' is a lot longer than I put. But while I wanted to summarize, I know there's some detail that was lost in the 'shortening'. If only there was a way to like, click a cell and have it open up in a popup that has it in bigger font.



Like this, but with the cell's contents in a bigger font. Guess the 'Formula Bar' method is the best stopgap solution we have atm. Only other thing that comes to mind is if there was a way to have responses that are over X characters long automatically forwarded to a pastebin, and a link to said pastebin put in the cell in the answer's place. But then who on earth wants to click a link that says 'response too long - click here to open in pastebin', that's a TLDR warning right there

[ty_taurus]

he workaround I've been using so far is to make a private copy of the sheet, and then that allows me to adjust the size of the cell/zoom/etc. Alternatively, I also used the 'formula bar' method at other times. It's just potentially an issue for if streamers start reacting to it I think, as it's gonna be very difficult for viewers to read along without opening the sheet themselves. Other people viewing the sheet would have workarounds. The other thing is that since '{role} Answers' sheet has these longform answers for all of the jobs in the role, but the 'individual job' sheet ALSO has these same answers, maybe the former is surplus to requirements? Then again, on the 'individual job (BRD)' sheet, that particular answer is hard to read due to it's sheer length. It's only really 'readable' via the formula box trick:

I made a little adjustment to the sheets and added a note about it on the OP. Each job is now collapsed into one column, and you should be able to open and close those through the + icon at the top of the page to read through any of the responses. This allowed me to make the written answers column far wider and increased the font size to be more readable.

Scratch that, I couldn't expand the columns when I tested it out as a viewer, so I just made the write-in columns much wider.

[ForsakenRoe]

Scratch that, I couldn't expand the columns when I tested it out as a viewer, so I just made the write-in columns much wider.

Well, the main 'problem answer' that was not readable before is now readable, so whatever you did was a success

Also the fact you keep coming to do small updates/fixes like that shows how much more you care about this stuff than SE seems to considering how they've never done anything like this. Seriously, where did they actually get the info about how 'Kaiten is too causing action bloat' or 'healers should have damage:healing skill ratio of 7:1'

edit: I meant healing:damage not damage:healing god could you imagine if we had seven damage skills for every one healing/mit skill that'd be crazy

[Rein_eon_Osborne]

[...]Seriously, where did they actually get the info about how 'Kaiten is too causing action bloat' or 'healers should have damage:healing skill ratio of 7:1'

About healing though, I think I've read some post in healer subforum back in ShB days stating that a certain irl celebrity back in older expac (couldn't remember it was StB or early ShB, take this as a grain of salt) made a comment about how hard it was to play WHM, hence they joked about one of the reason ShB healer got an overhaul was probably because of that.

Don't know about Kaiten though. It's tragic, regardless.

[Dandelly0n]

First of all thank you for this post, I truly believe we can get the message with efforts like this.

1. Jobs got streamlined in favor of the 2 minute meta. This homogenization while in theory provides a base to calculate uptime and player damage stagnates creativity.
Making the encounters feel stale because every 120 seconds the players HAVE to have uptime to unload all their skills so their jobs even function properly. Second point of attrition too many jobs have party wide buffs making this type of action bloated and uninspired since we have so many.

In the long term we should revert back to most skills and abilities being 1 minute CDs and jobs having more Personal buffs. Players want to be in control of their rotations and only 1 minutes can allow for the encounters to give the players the opportunity.


2. while I am a Shadowbringers baby, either Heavensward or Stormblood.

3. Sure incentives are great and community engagement are very important. As far as prizes go, maybe glam and housing stuff.

[SargeTheSeagull]

Might I recommend posting this on the ffxivdiscussion subreddit?