FFXIV Job Design Feedback

[ty_taurus]

Update

Since this thread has been brought back, I wanted to update some of the information here on the original post. Since this thread was originally made, I later created a new series of surveys intended to gather information on what people want to see from specific jobs for the upcoming Media Tour. I am updating this thread to feature those instead, as they are more well-organized and have better, clearer questions to answer in regards to feedback. You can give feedback for any job by using the link below:

Job Feedback Homepage

If you would like to see the results of that feedback, you can return to any job's survey page and select See Previous Responses to view that data. When you complete a survey, you will need to scroll back up to the top of the page to see that option, or simply refresh the page. If you would like to view the data of a certain job, but don't feel comfortable giving feedback on the job, there is a silly question at the bottom of each survey you can enter and submit your response with while leaving all other questions blank. This will allow you to view the data of any job if you don't want to fill out its questions. You can also return to edit your responses at any time.
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If you want to review the results from the old surveys (the ones originally found in this thread) you can follow the links below:

Tank Spreadsheet
Melee Spreadsheet
Ranged Spreadsheet
Caster Spreadsheet
Healer Spreadsheet

[Aravell]

1. I think the state of job design as of Endwalker is poor in design but quite good in balance, I don't think this design direction is at all sustainable long term, forcing every job to fit into a rigid 2 minute cycle is hurting job creativity.

2. Definitely Stormblood.

3. I believe that they should release official surveys, but I don't believe that they should tie rewards to it. Tying rewards to a survey will invite people who don't care and may just troll the results by marking everything randomly just to get the rewards. If there's no rewards or only minimal rewards, only the dedicated players will bother giving feedback, so they're more likely to get usable feedback.

[VentVanitas]

Just chiming in to submit for MNK.

1. Job design has never been so safe and boring before. All jobs are slightly varying flavours of burst DPS with a lot of borrowed mechanics, meaning that a lot of playstyles that had once previously existed are no longer in the game or have any close equivalent such as Greased Lightning Monk or DoT management in SCH/SMN. I definitely don't think it's a direction SE should keep going in because it favours absolute balance above diversity of playstyles and skill expression.

The development team needs to be brave enough to take risks and experiment with jobs. Let them take their own shape instead of perfectly tailoring their rotations to be as fool proof as possible.

2. Stormblood without a doubt. It offered a good middle ground between both positives of Heavensward and Shadowbringers job design. It had its faults, sure- (TP, damage type debuffs, old aggro, etc) but it's nothing that couldn't of been ironed out with enough time.

3. I would love official surveys, or any form of communication to let us know that the devs are actually listening to us instead of radio silence and huffing lethal doses of copium in hopes that Yoshi P reads a question related to job design in a Live Letter/Fanfest instead of solely picking inane story related questions only like what colour Emet Selch's underwear is or whatever.

Incentivizing them with rewards however, is one sure-fire way to ruin it. You'd just end up getting a lot of dummy responses that provide nothing helpful because they just want the reward, which is a problem that Genshin surveys have.

[Zairava]

1) Job design is at the lowest it's ever been. It's overly safe, the skill ceilings are continuously being lowered in the name of accessibility for the people who refuse to learn and improve. More and more jobs are feel samey now that everything is being confined to 2-minute bursting. It's incredibly boring and they should absolutely not keep treading in this direction. Balance is the only real thing that's been alright, but we're at the point where having fun actually playing them is a sacrifice to have balance, and that isn't a good feeling at all. As long as every job within the role can go in and clear the content without needing near perfect execution outside of maybe ultimate, who cares? Let the sweaty parsers mald.

2)Stormblood by a country mile. It had an incredible middle ground with room to learn and improve even for newer players. Damage was also more spread out. All it needed was some systemic refining (that being, TP being removed, no one misses TP. Tank stance really only needed its enmity generation buffed a bit). I was fine with damage type debuffs, honestly. It was just an archaic design system that was best removed moving forward.

3)There's no reason why there shouldn't be official surveys. It is literally impossible to avoid people putting in feedback in bad faith. There should be more communication with us and the devs with the job design because right now responses feel tone-deaf. (Asking for feedback on Kaiten, then masses of people putting in said feedback only for there to be no official response, for instance).

There is also no reason to hand out rewards for something as simple as answering a survey. I can't think of any good reasons to have it set up that way.

[Laerune]

A lot of jobs feel the same, which takes away their identity. I understand why they are the same, it's to prevent players from picking the class and not the player.

Doesn't change that what made them unique is almost gone.

[Vatom]

I could write you a book but I'll try to keep it to my 2 cents

Tanks
Drk would love for it to have more dark magic and not feel like a WAR
GNB not bad though the dmg buff duration could be better
PLD sad they took the dot the rewoke is meh wish is had more depth but I can live with what it is
WAR I need more buttons or dmg otherwise stop making 2 of the same button its kinda annoying

DPS(Melee)
Sam Needs a rework
MNK need a animation rework and form shift needs to be off the global also take the gauge off of PB
DRG eh I can't say much since I don't play enough but i feel its going in a good direction just needs some spice
RPR wish they were faster or some of their basic abilities where off the global other then that is new so not much to say
NIN either a rework or organize the dang jutsu better don't like the clipping is getting old

DPS(RNG)
MCH get rid of gunfu and bring more of the stuff they been putting out so far feels like a real MCH
BRD needs something to stand out IDK but is hard to pick it over DNC (Maybe another RNG dps would help)

DPS(Magic)
BLM No comment
SUM Basic
RDM Eh solid

Healer
WHT please revert thin air
AST alot to say and yet nothing at all. Its not bad but I still miss Older versions
SCH Basic would love for them to do something more with your summon
SGE love and hate it wish they put the mit on pneuma, wish this and that but just like AST its not bad

Overall healer just feel the plainest to me followed by tanks then RNG

[Velvet_Lunarfang]

I could write you a book but I'll try to keep it to my 2 cents

Tanks
Drk would love for it to have more dark magic and not feel like a WAR
GNB not bad though the dmg buff duration could be better
PLD sad they took the dot the rewoke is meh wish is had more depth but I can live with what it is
WAR I need more buttons or dmg otherwise stop making 2 of the same button its kinda annoying

DPS(Melee)
Sam Needs a rework
MNK need a animation rework and form shift needs to be off the global also take the gauge off of PB
DRG eh I can't say much since I don't play enough but i feel its going in a good direction just needs some spice
RPR wish they were faster or some of their basic abilities where off the global other then that is new so not much to say
NIN either a rework or organize the dang jutsu better don't like the clipping is getting old

DPS(RNG)
MCH get rid of gunfu and bring more of the stuff they been putting out so far feels like a real MCH
BRD needs something to stand out IDK but is hard to pick it over DNC (Maybe another RNG dps would help)

DPS(Magic)
BLM No comment
SUM Basic
RDM Eh solid

Healer
WHT please revert thin air
AST alot to say and yet nothing at all. Its not bad but I still miss Older versions
SCH Basic would love for them to do something more with your summon
SGE love and hate it wish they put the mit on pneuma, wish this and that but just like AST its not bad

Overall healer just feel the plainest to me followed by tanks then RNG

I will add for MCH is the flamethrower skill. I hate that every time I use it on mobs they decide to target my area to force me to stop it. Either make it like a mech that does it for me or Put a canister that spews flames and deals damage to the mobs

[ForsakenRoe]

If you're having a difficult time with word limit, I recommend copying your text onto a blank word document and finishing your thoughts there, then go back through the response and find ways to condense the text while still communicating your intentions. It's something I often do whenever I feel like I have a lot to say about something.

I think it's not so much word limit, but how the sheet displays longer responses. Perfect example is #45 for BRD on the 'Ranged answers' sheet, it's so long due to having two 'directions' suggested that it got squished to almost illegibly small font size. Though I suppose by going on the BRD specific sheet, clicking the cell, and reading it's contents via the 'formula bar' at the top is a potential workaround

Also could you edit the OP to say 'please feel free to share this as much as possible' to incentivize it getting propagated around community

I will add for MCH is the flamethrower skill. I hate that every time I use it on mobs they decide to target my area to force me to stop it. Either make it like a mech that does it for me or Put a canister that spews flames and deals damage to the mobs

I was thinking, what if they reduce Flamethrower to a 5s channel, and make it do double damage when BioBlaster is applied to the enemy? That way, it's a definite gain to use Bio > Flamethrower on 2, and even a gain to do one of your three drills as Bio > FT on one target (it'd be 300 from Bio, plus 160 x 5 ticks from FT, vs flat 600 from Drill). I guess it's kinda similar to how NIN subs out one Raiton out of 3 per 60s loop to do Suiton for Trick

[ty_taurus]

I think it's not so much word limit, but how the sheet displays longer responses. Perfect example is #45 for BRD on the 'Ranged answers' sheet, it's so long due to having two 'directions' suggested that it got squished to almost illegibly small font size. Though I suppose by going on the BRD specific sheet, clicking the cell, and reading it's contents via the 'formula bar' at the top is a potential workaround

Also could you edit the OP to say 'please feel free to share this as much as possible' to incentivize it getting propagated around community

Added that note to the top of the post.

Yeah, there are some that are really long, and the problem if they get too big is that if the cell becomes larger than an average browser window. Google sheets seems to require that an entire cell row or column be on the screen, so it gets very weird if it's too large. I'm not sure what I could do better to make that feedback readable. The feedback notes are also available if you go back to the form and check the results, but I'd like to have a readable version of them on the spreadsheet as well. My mind's drawing a blank on how to do that part better... I could perhaps make the cells much larger and collapse the columns so you can look at one job at a time? I'll experiment a little when I make the next set of feedback forms and spreadsheets, but if anyone has any suggestions, take a screenshot of what might be a better format and share it with me. I can save it for Media Tour time.

On the topic of written responses, though, for anyone that's been readying through them, are there any write-in answers that stood out to you in some way?

[Reinhardt_Azureheim]

Throw the 2min meta into the bin and light it on fire and reembrace irregular cooldown timers like with HW and Stormblood.