Considering ive been told countless times that gear past the crafted ilvl is optional and not necessary, yes its completely optional. You dont need the relic even when it becomes 665 at the very end. The relic has never been required in any form of content and still isnt. You can progress in eureka/bozja without doing the relic.
You got caught with your foot in your mouth, guy. You admitted to bullying. Now you’re retracting statements. She got caught has now turned into no one really caught anyone. Now trying to excuse it with “well they joke about me too”.
You were petty. Trying to defend it or turn it around on myself and storm peaks is desperate. Humble yourself and admit you were a jerk and move on. No one found your story amusing. Sorry bud.
Nah, seeing the whole context of every single of my post in this thread (and others), even prior to that post clearly indicate I support and encourage people who going to and having fun at clubs. I have nothing to be ashamed or humble of. In fact, I can stand proud and proclaim I love the fact people engage in the socializing of the game. And had said that many many times before this encounter with you. I had defended them and I will continue defend them.
It's completely bonker for you to twist it into me making fun of going to club is "bullying", as if it makes sense to bully someone for doing something I 100% support of?Making fun of, or saying "I caught you doing naughty!" .etc. in an endearing manner has always been a thing between casual friends. Looks around the discussion about ERP or RP, plenty people have no problem with those activities, but that doesn't stop people to meme and joke about it for fun with a tongue in cheek.
Like I sad, it's ironic you're going specifically for me by taking a few word out of the whole context while I have been nothing but supportive in this thread, while just ignoring everyone who openly hostile and look down the activites itself is clear showing of your agenda. It's obvious you're having a personal issue and decide to drag your baggage to twist my word into something you want to see. Like I said, it's pity and sad, but I can not argue against the echo in the back of your mind. I know I have fun with my static making these joke including with the member in question before, during, and after the joke was made. I have a good time while you're just continue standing there on the sideline, getting angry on behalf of some imaginary nobody.
On a plus side, you will be extremely successful as a political activist in the current climate. If that's not already your job, I recommend looking into it. You can make big buck doing what you love: twisting words, take them out of context and creating fake news.![]()
Last edited by Raven2014; 03-21-2023 at 02:53 AM.
A - Sunday is in no way prime gaming time lmao, even less so in MMO's where most people raid during the week. Very groups raid on weekends. We're also at the tail end of the current tier.
B - Shocking, people don't want to focus on high end content on a Sunday night and rather do more casual stuff. Also you're on a DC that doesn't really have a community that focuses on end game. Come to aether and the PF is a lot busier.
C - FFXIV doesn't have millions of players. Its got millions of accounts, but that number is not subscribers. At best, FFXIV probably sits at just above 1 million subs atm.
D - You're right, PF is used for grouping up and people do exactly that. It just happens to be primarily focused on end game because *gasp* everything else is in DF and using PF is completely unnecessary for content that is relatively easy to clear and doesn't need a more focused group with specific strats listed to clear the content. Why would anyone use PF for dungeons? That's just dumb.
Go play something else.
I can agree that it's optional. It's the "in a vacuum" part that I'm more interested in. The relics may not be necessary to do other content but they also aren't in a vacuum where they have no other use.
Back to the relics, the grind is still there for those who want it. How would players have felt if they had been told they must clear Aglaia 15 times instead of being told to purchase items that cost a total of 1500 tomestones (which they would get by clearing Aglaia 15 times)?
What makes something a grind is subjective and in our heads. Asked to do something we don't like and we'll probably see it as a grind even if only asked to do it once. If it's something we enjoy doing, we'll either look forward to it happily (even if told we must do it a dozen times) or find ourselves suddenly hating that content because we're being "forced" to do it.
Take the Awoken stage of the Anima relic chain as an example. Players were required to complete 10 specific dungeons one time each. Completing all those dungeons would have rewarded about 900 Poetics (or whatever the tomestone of the time was, amount varied by dungeon). How would they have reacted if instead of doing those 10 specific dungeons, they were told they need buy 3 Anima Vessels for 300 Poetics each?
Was getting 1500 Astronomy this patch really that much less challenging than being asked to do those 10 dungeons back in Heavensward?
If someone really needs a long grind to make the weapon feel meaningful, SE has left the door open to the player to choose the content they use for it (as long as that content rewards the relevant tomestone). So they could do 5 EW hunt trains (320 each if all 16 Rank As are killed) or 15 Leveling Roulettes (100 each) or 75 clears of Endsinger's Aria (20 each), or some combination of them.
It's their problem if they decide to go the Aria route while someone else chooses the hunt trains. It's rather silly to judge the worth of what you have by what someone else chooses to do to get it instead of by what you choose to do.
I hard grinded out the Pteranodon back in Shadowbringers, having to manually complete each Expert craft (and sometimes failing because RNG was bad or I simply screwed up). Now players can macro their way through all the Expert crafts with guaranteed success of at least the minimum needed rating. Do I feel like my effort has been devalued? No, I don't. I knew I could have waiting and done the grind this expansion when it would be easier but I wanted to get it done in Shadowbringers.
As a semi-related thought, I half wonder if what is really making some players angry is that using tomestones as the grind currency is taking away the double dip in rewards that the other relic grinds offered. Where before they would grind whatever was required to get the dropped tokens/complete the quest objectives, they would also still have the usual currency rewards from the content to use as they please. Now they're required to use the currency for the relic, they lose that additional reward for doing the content.
Last edited by Jojoya; 03-21-2023 at 03:57 AM.
I'm not typically one to defend Raven, but I do think that the assumptions being made could be premature. From the outside of their friend circle, we don't know who finds what funny, or why. A lot of situations create inside jokes, which someone from the outside wouldn't really understand.
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