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  1. #91
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    Quote Originally Posted by Stormpeaks View Post
    Yeah because making fun of someone for 2 weeks is such a great joke, just because they went to a venue, hilarious.



    It absolutely is, even fishing is a grind, anything can be a grind really, now an interesting grind that's a whole different story



    Relics arent mandatory though, if you didnt want to do the relic steps, you didnt have to do them, it was for those that liked to do it or at the very least could put up with it in order to get rewarded.
    Would say that if I didnt like it, I should quit doing it?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Orinori View Post
    Aren't you the same Saraide who makes every savage pf blacklist you because you can never do a mechanic correctly and constantly causes enrage wipes? Pretty ironic to read this lmfao

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jojoya View Post
    Which grinds were removed that were completely optional and "in a vacuum"?

    I think most players would disagree the relic weapon grinds are "in a vacuum" if that's what you're thinking about. You're talking about a weapon that is generally BiS once the final stage is completed. Even the current stage is giving players access to a 630 weapon, which is the best a player can get without doing some form of raiding.

    All the grinds "in a vacuum" that I can think of still exist.
    Considering ive been told countless times that gear past the crafted ilvl is optional and not necessary, yes its completely optional. You dont need the relic even when it becomes 665 at the very end. The relic has never been required in any form of content and still isnt. You can progress in eureka/bozja without doing the relic.
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  3. #93
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    Quote Originally Posted by Stormpeaks View Post
    "We made fun of her for 2 weeks" is pretty self explainatory tbh, of course they'll find it "fun", not like they have much choice anyway, not sure what them going to a club has to do with the FC, and why there was a need to "caught" them, leave people alone to do what they want in their own time. There is no need to "make fun of them" because they go to a club. That is what I call petty, not Kolaina's opinion and post.
    My thoughts exactly.
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  4. #94
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    Quote Originally Posted by Raven2014 View Post
    Are you one of those political activist who self-insert in between two friends making joke and decide to be offended on their behalf completely out of context? No one really "caught" anyone. And no one really made fun out of anyone's expense. That's the whole point you seems to miss ... on purpose I'm sure.



    And my glam has been a year+ running of joke in the group, and please don't get offended on my behalf ok, I insist?

    The only hilarious thing is how desperate you are trying to twist other people words.
    You got caught with your foot in your mouth, guy. You admitted to bullying. Now you’re retracting statements. She got caught has now turned into no one really caught anyone. Now trying to excuse it with “well they joke about me too”.

    You were petty. Trying to defend it or turn it around on myself and storm peaks is desperate. Humble yourself and admit you were a jerk and move on. No one found your story amusing. Sorry bud.
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  5. #95
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kolaina View Post
    You got caught with your foot in your mouth, guy. You admitted to bullying. Now you’re retracting statements. She got caught has now turned into no one really caught anyone. Now trying to excuse it with “well they joke about me too”.

    You were petty. Trying to defend it or turn it around on myself and storm peaks is desperate. Humble yourself and admit you were a jerk and move on. No one found your story amusing. Sorry bud.
    Nah, seeing the whole context of every single of my post in this thread (and others), even prior to that post clearly indicate I support and encourage people who going to and having fun at clubs. I have nothing to be ashamed or humble of. In fact, I can stand proud and proclaim I love the fact people engage in the socializing of the game. And had said that many many times before this encounter with you. I had defended them and I will continue defend them.

    It's completely bonker for you to twist it into me making fun of going to club is "bullying", as if it makes sense to bully someone for doing something I 100% support of? Making fun of, or saying "I caught you doing naughty!" .etc. in an endearing manner has always been a thing between casual friends. Looks around the discussion about ERP or RP, plenty people have no problem with those activities, but that doesn't stop people to meme and joke about it for fun with a tongue in cheek.

    Like I sad, it's ironic you're going specifically for me by taking a few word out of the whole context while I have been nothing but supportive in this thread, while just ignoring everyone who openly hostile and look down the activites itself is clear showing of your agenda. It's obvious you're having a personal issue and decide to drag your baggage to twist my word into something you want to see. Like I said, it's pity and sad, but I can not argue against the echo in the back of your mind. I know I have fun with my static making these joke including with the member in question before, during, and after the joke was made. I have a good time while you're just continue standing there on the sideline, getting angry on behalf of some imaginary nobody.

    On a plus side, you will be extremely successful as a political activist in the current climate. If that's not already your job, I recommend looking into it. You can make big buck doing what you love: twisting words, take them out of context and creating fake news.
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    Last edited by Raven2014; 03-21-2023 at 02:53 AM.

  6. #96
    Player Kolaina's Avatar
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    Quote Originally Posted by Raven2014 View Post
    You can make big buck doing what you love: twisting words, take them out of context and creating fake news.
    No one’s twisting your words. You were quoted directly. No tricks here. Just you retracting statements and changing the context as per usual once you get attention you don’t want. Same ol’, same ol’
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ath192 View Post
    A - Sunday night is prime gaming time for a lot of people. You don't want to go out like Saturday and you are just winding down before the work week begins.

    B - Doesn't matter which tab is selected, just the overall numbers. One is funnier though.

    C - 22 groups for a game with millions of players isn't all that good, When you combine all 4 data centers maybe its a bit better?

    D - PF is used for grouping up. The game doesn't have a lot content people are grouping up for right now. Lack of DD groups in particular is kind of sad since it just released. This is my main point.
    A - Sunday is in no way prime gaming time lmao, even less so in MMO's where most people raid during the week. Very groups raid on weekends. We're also at the tail end of the current tier.

    B - Shocking, people don't want to focus on high end content on a Sunday night and rather do more casual stuff. Also you're on a DC that doesn't really have a community that focuses on end game. Come to aether and the PF is a lot busier.

    C - FFXIV doesn't have millions of players. Its got millions of accounts, but that number is not subscribers. At best, FFXIV probably sits at just above 1 million subs atm.

    D - You're right, PF is used for grouping up and people do exactly that. It just happens to be primarily focused on end game because *gasp* everything else is in DF and using PF is completely unnecessary for content that is relatively easy to clear and doesn't need a more focused group with specific strats listed to clear the content. Why would anyone use PF for dungeons? That's just dumb.

    Quote Originally Posted by Ath192 View Post
    One could also make the argument they are not in PF, because they are busy in the new exploration zone, but there isn't one. Previous expansions I could go to them and see this. So I feel all people have to do is repeat dailies and grind savage or RP in its various forms.
    Go play something else.
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  8. #98
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    Quote Originally Posted by TomsYoungerBro View Post
    Considering ive been told countless times that gear past the crafted ilvl is optional and not necessary, yes its completely optional. You dont need the relic even when it becomes 665 at the very end. The relic has never been required in any form of content and still isnt. You can progress in eureka/bozja without doing the relic.
    I can agree that it's optional. It's the "in a vacuum" part that I'm more interested in. The relics may not be necessary to do other content but they also aren't in a vacuum where they have no other use.

    Back to the relics, the grind is still there for those who want it. How would players have felt if they had been told they must clear Aglaia 15 times instead of being told to purchase items that cost a total of 1500 tomestones (which they would get by clearing Aglaia 15 times)?

    What makes something a grind is subjective and in our heads. Asked to do something we don't like and we'll probably see it as a grind even if only asked to do it once. If it's something we enjoy doing, we'll either look forward to it happily (even if told we must do it a dozen times) or find ourselves suddenly hating that content because we're being "forced" to do it.

    Take the Awoken stage of the Anima relic chain as an example. Players were required to complete 10 specific dungeons one time each. Completing all those dungeons would have rewarded about 900 Poetics (or whatever the tomestone of the time was, amount varied by dungeon). How would they have reacted if instead of doing those 10 specific dungeons, they were told they need buy 3 Anima Vessels for 300 Poetics each?

    Was getting 1500 Astronomy this patch really that much less challenging than being asked to do those 10 dungeons back in Heavensward?

    If someone really needs a long grind to make the weapon feel meaningful, SE has left the door open to the player to choose the content they use for it (as long as that content rewards the relevant tomestone). So they could do 5 EW hunt trains (320 each if all 16 Rank As are killed) or 15 Leveling Roulettes (100 each) or 75 clears of Endsinger's Aria (20 each), or some combination of them.

    It's their problem if they decide to go the Aria route while someone else chooses the hunt trains. It's rather silly to judge the worth of what you have by what someone else chooses to do to get it instead of by what you choose to do.

    I hard grinded out the Pteranodon back in Shadowbringers, having to manually complete each Expert craft (and sometimes failing because RNG was bad or I simply screwed up). Now players can macro their way through all the Expert crafts with guaranteed success of at least the minimum needed rating. Do I feel like my effort has been devalued? No, I don't. I knew I could have waiting and done the grind this expansion when it would be easier but I wanted to get it done in Shadowbringers.

    As a semi-related thought, I half wonder if what is really making some players angry is that using tomestones as the grind currency is taking away the double dip in rewards that the other relic grinds offered. Where before they would grind whatever was required to get the dropped tokens/complete the quest objectives, they would also still have the usual currency rewards from the content to use as they please. Now they're required to use the currency for the relic, they lose that additional reward for doing the content.
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    Last edited by Jojoya; 03-21-2023 at 03:57 AM.

  9. #99
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kolaina View Post
    Same ol’, same ol’
    Again just to show this is more about your baggage and prejudice above all else. I'll admit to one mistake: I responded to your provocation.

    And that is a mistake I will not make again.
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  10. #100
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kolaina View Post
    No one’s twisting your words. You were quoted directly. No tricks here. Just you retracting statements and changing the context as per usual once you get attention you don’t want. Same ol’, same ol’
    I'm not typically one to defend Raven, but I do think that the assumptions being made could be premature. From the outside of their friend circle, we don't know who finds what funny, or why. A lot of situations create inside jokes, which someone from the outside wouldn't really understand.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Naoki_Yoshida View Post
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    While I cannot give a specific date on when personal housing will be implemented, I can say that prices will be completely separate from free company housing, and, naturally, far more affordable.

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