Healer Survey:

[ForsakenRoe]

I look like I....what? If you wish to throw an insult, simply do so.

Save yourself the headache, he's more than willing to throw insults, but the second you raise heckles even slightly, he'll go 'oh woe is me, everyone here is so mean and always attacking me'

Anyway, the unfortunate truth is that yes, you do have to use Misery's even if there's no healing needed. Since Misery is equal to 4 Glares, by sacrificing three Glares outside of raidbuffs, you can move them 'inside' the raidbuffs in the form of Misery, moving you from having what should be, say, eight Glares inside the raidbuffs, to a pseudo-11 Glares (7 real, 4 via Misery). Annoying, but it is what it is. Personally, I hate it. I don't like throwing out healing when it's not needed, I'd rather hold the Lilies in case I need em for something. Sure my parse takes a hit because of it but I'd rather that than getting caught with my metaphorical pants down by Reaper Ronald standing in the dumb and being unable to heal them before their untimely demise because Tetra and Bene are just not enough OGCD tools compared to the other healers SE I am asking once again for a second Tetra charge thank you

As for Rapture and Solace, I'd only ever count one of them. And I'd only ever count one of Engagement or Displacement, or Fleeting/Forked. If someone else wants to count both halves of a pair then more power to em, but I'd call it disingenuous to do so. I would count Verholy and Verflare as separate 'skills' due to their effect on the Mana gauges, and their 'if that mana is lower, you guarantee the proc' effect, but I wouldn't consider it another hotbar slot because Aero/Thunder turn into them. Same with Jolt/Scorch/Reso, separate skills, not separate hotbar spaces. And when people criticize the idea of healers having more damage options, I assume it's more a worry about 'where do we put all this new crap on the bars', not 'I have 5 new damage skills (they all intuitively take the same space as current actions, eg a new AOE damage skill for Sage that is 'Eukrasian Dyskrasia' (yes I know it's contradictory))'

[ty_taurus]

Technically, you only need 3 afflatus heals for every 2 minutes, not every single minute, since we don’t have 1 minute raid buffs anymore. And theres no MP gain on using lilies unlike with Addersgall. Perhaps theres something to be said about rolling for a crit misery since that will likely be a gain over 4 glares which are unlikely to all crit, but that’s more of a gamble than a true DPS gain. Outside of solo content, 3 heals per 2 minutes is usually necessary enough for WHM.

The thing that may throw a wrench into that is if you use misery before the raid buff window, since you may need to burn lilies to have it up again in time.

If nothing else changes, having a blood lily anatman would be a great for out of combat or between phases way of discouraging wasting heals. A new afflatus spell that is not strictly a heal could also help with that mid combat. Perhaps we add something that grants a buff that causes your next healing spell to restore critical HP. Gives you a way to burn a lily while setting up your next heal to be stronger.

[Aravell]

Save yourself the headache, he's more than willing to throw insults, but the second you raise heckles even slightly, he'll go 'oh woe is me, everyone here is so mean and always attacking me'

If that's the case, then I'll take your advice and dip out of the conversation. I've already said my piece.

[AnotherPerson]

Technically, you only need 3 afflatus heals for every 2 minutes, not every single minute, since we don’t have 1 minute raid buffs anymore. And theres no MP gain on using lilies unlike with Addersgall. Perhaps theres something to be said about rolling for a crit misery since that will likely be a gain over 4 glares which are unlikely to all crit, but that’s more of a gamble than a true DPS gain.

There is MP gain, if you keep your GCD rolling and the afflatus heals are just unneeded, you can alternatively use them over spending another 400 MP on Glare. It's not a skill that gives MP, but it's an MP-positive skill compared to using 4 Glares in terms of damage potency per GCD. You basically save up 1200 MP over the course of a minute as a result in this roundabout way by simply using it.

[Nizzi]

Most Desired Additions
WHM - More attacking actions (83.3%) - Runner-up: more utility/mitigation (79.2%)
SCH - More attacking actions (90.5%) - Runner-up: more offensive support (61.9%)
AST - More offensive support (78.9%) - Runner-up: more attacking actions (68.4%)
SGE - More attacking actions (87.5%) - Runner-up: more utility/mitigation (35.7%)

Whew, an overwhelming 90% of SCHs, that's kind of wild. You know what you must do, Yoshida...

[ty_taurus]

Whew, an overwhelming 90% of SCHs, that's kind of wild. You know what you must do, Yoshida...

More reviews are coming in, so the exact number is shifting around, but in the same general area.

[Iedarus]

Whew, an overwhelming 90% of SCHs, that's kind of wild. You know what you must do, Yoshida...

Increased Energy Drain Potency to 110. Please look forward to it.

[RyuDragnier]

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*whistles*

It appears it's almost unanimous from the healer community that we want to oGCD heal less.

[Renathras]

If that's the case, then I'll take your advice and dip out of the conversation. I've already said my piece.

Nah, ForsakenRoe REALLY doesn't like me because we have a difference of opinion on WHM changes and she takes it personally. She tends to harass and badmouth me in threads all over the forum. I can't post anything in here without her doing so, and she also does so in other threads she sees me post in like in the DPS forum. It's like having my own personal stalker.

If you're throwing in with her, you...well, poor life decisions, but do you.

As for insults, I try to avoid them. I will ever now and then break if someone's just been harassing me and pushes and pushes and pushes or does something pretty egregious like outright lying about me when they actually know better from prior (or even that very same) exchange, but I try to stick to facts and arguments/points of discussion. I dislike threads devolving into derailed personal insult/ad hominem fallacy chains. But certain people have decided that the best way to "win" arguments here is to just harass, derail, and smear the people that disagree with them at every turn, preventing any actual discussion and they seem to feel this means they will "win" by default.

It's obnoxious, but I try to avoid it. At this point I'm just not replying to the personal insults much anymore because there's no way to reason or get these people to stop doing it. I've tried.

I stopped because I DON'T want to get into an insult fight with you, despite you suggesting one first completely out of the blue and uncalled for.

I won't keep fighting over the buttons, I'm just saying they are separate buttons, with separate uses, that contribute to DPS (Misery is a DPS gain if used in buff windows) and to MP management (see just below here)

There is MP gain, if you keep your GCD rolling and the afflatus heals are just unneeded, you can alternatively use them over spending another 400 MP on Glare. It's not a skill that gives MP, but it's an MP-positive skill compared to using 4 Glares in terms of damage potency per GCD. You basically save up 1200 MP over the course of a minute as a result in this roundabout way by simply using it.

This.

It's why Misery not being DPS neutral hurt WHM's MP economy in 6.0. Making Misery damage neutral, even if we made it not benefit from buffs at all, is like giving WHM's 1600 MP per minute, which is 4/5ths of an Aetherflow (1600 vs 2000), and close to that of Addersgall (2100 per minute average). It'd also be equivalent to getting 4x Thin Air uses per minute (on Glare). It's a pretty significant MP management boost.

They also serve as a movement tool, since WHM's other option is burning Swiftcast on a Glare or chain casting Dia if they have to move a long way. 2-3x Dia casts is definitely an DPS and MP loss over using Lilies there instead. And that's when Lilies do NO useful healing; when they do, they have even greater benefit.

Whew, an overwhelming 90% of SCHs, that's kind of wild. You know what you must do, Yoshida...

I fully expect that would be the majority position of SCHs across the board. It's a position even my anti-DPS-self shares, so you know it's going to be nearly universa

*whistles*

It appears it's almost unanimous from the healer community that we want to oGCD heal less.

Also this.

Seeing a lot of this in the long-form survey as well (though people are saying it in lots of different ways).

[ty_taurus]

So I'm working on creating a google sheets that will show each job's mean, median, and mode for their scores as well as include the pie charts for things like which expansion did you start/which expansion was your favorite iteration. It's going to take some time to do every job and format the document nicely, but it will update in real time, so as soon as new submissions come up, the values will auto update and I won't have to do that manually. I'll put that up on the general forum when it's done, probably later this week or weekend?