Please stop putting the Crystalline Conflict Glamour Coffer at Rank 25

[Colt47]

You know you don't have to get every piece of glamour in the game right? God forbid content exists for pvpers to work towards. Rank 25 isn't even a grind and this really just seems like a you problem.

Yeah there should be content for people that like PvP and that is what this is. But PvP is a social activity in this game and they eliminated the ability for those who like to pvp to form teams and build strategy. Even if someone likes pvp, it is hard pressed to say that the kind of pvp the people who are playing this like is the same kind that people who play true pvp games, like league of legends or counter strike, enjoy. Enjoying PvP isn't a binary yes or no situation: one persons pvp isn't the others. And unfortunately the issue right now is that even the most enjoyable of activities can become a problem if they add nothing but new rewards and no new gameplay to go along with it.

[Ransu]

Idk about the guy who posted it, but I'd say CC isn't poorly designed it's just that FF14 is poorly designed for PvP. The game doesn't allow for plays like you would see in WoW or more responsive MMORPGs.

I mean, I'll definitely give you that on the server tick rate issues.

[QiyoJoyo]

I'm hopefully not talking down to you. I've just been dealing with the pvp grind lately and started seeing the rough edges on the thing. After the first Crystal Conflict Season for the special archfiend attire I thought I'd be done with it, but they released another glamour set that is time limited and now I'm back to grinding again.

FFXIV is just not a good PvP game and never was. Originally before Crystal Conflict it was all wolf marks and there was no time limit on getting items, so even if it was not the most impressive content, it wasn't really pushing people into doing it either. Now it is turning into limited time deals. "Come buy this shiny new jar now or you'll never have it!" The game was founded on being what other games were not, so seeing them do what other games do at end game to try to mentally force people into playing it feels unnatural. Perhaps even more so now that we're in the dull, slow point between expansions where content is drip fed and the only thing left are these long grind type activities.

Well it reads atleast like being talked down to, not that post but a few from before.

My problem is: I get the critic, at not being able to form teams, i also would like to play in teams with my friends but i got used to it. I can enjoy the game-mode. I get even the critic that "fomo" is not a ideal concept but what really grinds my gear is the entitelment.

And yes it is entitelment. You advocat that everybody should get the glam and the mounts and the pets but.. why? Why should everybody gets them? Why is it so bad that some things are unique? The glam will be a nostalgic reminder for me a few years in the future. That i started pvp there and got that as my first glam. It lets my look at people who have it as buddys, comrades that share the same passion as me.

last but not least...it is not even that much of a grind, i had to grind much more for the aar-relic.

[CerusSerenade]

It's funny that the argument people are using to defend FOMO pass systems are:

1. "Rewards should take effort."

and

2. "It doesn't take that long anyway."

First, whether you play 100 games over a year, or a 100 games in a month, the effort is same. You played 100 games. The problem isn't with the "effort", it's that we have to make that effort in a specific time frame when many of us don't have that kind of time, or at the very least don't want to spend what time we have on a game mode we dislike because if we don't we're barred out of the rewards forever. We're not arguing that they "be handed out for free" like people keep arguing without actually reading what they're responding to. We just want the time limitation removed because FOMO passes have always been manipulative and unpleasant.

Second, it doesn't matter if "it doesn't take that long", you're talking about 15 straight hours of nothing but PVP. Some of us want to space it out, some us would like to do other things, but just the EXISTENCE of the FOMO pass means we have that stress about having to eventually go back to the grind.

We don't time limit relics, or Ultimates, or anything other than seasonal events which take an hour TOPS. I really don't understand how hard it is to just agree that so long as you put in the time in those games, WHEN you play those games doesn't matter, you still put in the same effort as everyone else.

[Stormpeaks]

It's funny that the argument people are using to defend FOMO pass systems are:

1. "Rewards should take effort."

and

2. "It doesn't take that long anyway."

First, whether you play 100 games over a year, or a 100 games in a month, the effort is same. You played 100 games. The problem isn't with the "effort", it's that we have to make that effort in a specific time frame when many of us don't have that kind of time, or at the very least don't want to spend what time we have on a game mode we dislike because if we don't we're barred out of the rewards forever. We're not arguing that they "be handed out for free" like people keep arguing without actually reading what they're responding to. We just want the time limitation removed because FOMO passes have always been manipulative and unpleasant.

Second, it doesn't matter if "it doesn't take that long", you're talking about 15 straight hours of nothing but PVP. Some of us want to space it out, some us would like to do other things, but just the EXISTENCE of the FOMO pass means we have that stress about having to eventually go back to the grind.

We don't time limit relics, or Ultimates, or anything other than seasonal events which take an hour TOPS. I really don't understand how hard it is to just agree that so long as you put in the time in those games, WHEN you play those games doesn't matter, you still put in the same effort as everyone else.

Yep, that's why you have 4 months to do it, an entire season.

Also this whole "We are forced to" "I am forced to" is all on you.

Dont want to play PVP ? Dont do it, period, just stop it already.

[NekoMataMata]

Got the coffer yesterday. From around Rank 10 it took me about 7-8ish hours of CC over the course of a few days.

This includes around 45 minutes worth of matches where I ran into stealth afkers that would suicide into the other team and then run in circles outside of the spawn point while I tried to fight into overtime.

It's not that bad. It really, really isn't.

[Stormpeaks]

Got the coffer yesterday. From around Rank 10 it took me about 7-8ish hours of CC over the course of a few days.

This includes around 45 minutes worth of matches where I ran into stealth afkers that would suicide into the other team and then run in circles outside of the spawn point while I tried to fight into overtime.

It's not that bad. It really, really isn't.

It's literally laziness on their end, the grind is really not that bad, doing a game there and there will get you to it in a relatively short time, basically they dont want to play PVP but they are """forced""" to do it for the glam, they just "HAVE" to, and they think that they are somehow entitled to getting it in their own time, which apparently 4 months is not enough for them (wonder how much time they need, maybe 3 years will be enough?)

[Craigieboy]

Surely a sensible compromise would be to have previous season rewards obtainable via other more grindy means? For example if for whatever reason you couldn't play FFXIV for a couple of months and ran out of time, have some kind of histroic vendor where you need to spend a bunch of wolf marks or trophy crystals for older rewards. To be clear I emphasize the grindy part since I agree to some extent that giving out the rewards for little to no effort after the season would make the season itself pointless, although I will say I've never been a fan of these 'Battlepass like' systems so if I had may way it would never be in the game. Having content that is time gated (excluding yearly events) is nearly always a terrible idea.

[Stormpeaks]

Surely a sensible compromise would be to have previous season rewards obtainable via other more grindy means? For example if for whatever reason you couldn't play FFXIV for a couple of months and ran out of time, have some kind of histroic vendor where you need to spend a bunch of wolf marks or trophy crystals for older rewards. To be clear I emphasize the grindy part since I agree to some extent that giving out the rewards for little to no effort after the season would make the season itself pointless, although I will say I've never been a fan of these 'Battlepass like' systems so if I had may way it would never be in the game. Having content that is time gated (excluding yearly events) is nearly always a terrible idea.

There is no need for a compromise, it's fine as it is. Some things can be exclusive to the players playing at that time, they have 4 months to do it. That's more than enough.

[Teena]

My method for Series Marks is to potter around doing a FL now and then for the first few months (I think I'm currently at level 9 iirc so have been super slacky so far), which I also use to slowly level up my alt Jobs. I might occasionally do a CC if I feel like it but otherwise don't bother unless it's in my WT Book, in which case I'll flip a few on the bounce for easy ticks. And then when the Moogle event lands, I grind out whatever's left over the course of the 4 weeks.

You get series rewards, a pvp currency for more items - which if nothing else you can also turn into Wolf Marks to buy ventures, and dark matter thingy's for self repairs. You get half a level of xp for every FL you do. You get stacks of Moogle tomestones if you have to grind it out near the end.

You get way more than just a glam set from the 14-15 hours of pvping you need to do. If the other benefits of doing it aren't of interest to you, that's absolutely fair enough, but it all still needs to be acknowledged as a reward for what - in MMO terms at least - is a pretty small time investment within a 4 month window.