The TT card in Eureka orthos

[GTK0HLK]

Me: I think there is a problem with how you can access this card.
You: Yeah no, I think you just want to get the cards an easy way.
Me: No, I had zero problems with all the card you mentionned as hard to get, never complained about them (I had a very hard time with the Masked Carnivales ones but that because I hate that content). I just think there is something wrong with the way you get this one. Here is why
You: Yeah no, at this point, I think you just want to get the cards by just talking to npc.

That's basically our conversation... I don't know, I might be the only one thinking that, but I really don't understand how you guys get to that conclusion. That speech is so deeply rooted in the community it's baffling.

I think the qualms people have, is that it's a broad subject that affects all acquiring methods.., if it's too easy, or too hard on one.
<like for some who would never do crafting, would be forced to do it, or gather for the Cards on the tribes> it would lead to questioning of doing so on the rest.

One single thing cannot really be an exception in few cases.
[Depending on the topic, the answers may end up 1 answer/2 extremes/2extremes merged/middle option/ or neither/stay as is]

which leads to, is it difficult, is it time/gated content, is it hard to make parties.
is the fact you have two saves an issue at all?
does it act like a point that has/nt value to the point/topic?

[like in a different topic, I find it reasonable that AR drops be converted into Head/chest/arm/leg/feet Coffers to reduce unnecessary rng, for a already limited item, meant to support players. when it already isn't/too late to do its task.]

The card is practically guaranteed, it's fine to not always have time to grind something out.
the only thing that the 2 slots can have, is a separate discussion for a QoL, for increased slots. or maybe making the saves less janky when starting a fixed pf party, and then ending with multiple saves clogging.

<if boredom, or hate of the content, or the group you're in, is the issue. then it's either deal with, or move on. or specifically add the TT Grind to the PF>

there Is only so much to change.
and not many change the end result. as some would then twist the wish, and make the vendor unlock after floor 100. which in and off itself isn't that hard either<and does happen in PF groups>. specially if you got someone that has cleared before.

[AetherHale]

Me: I think there is a problem with how you can access this card.
You: Yeah no, I think you just want to get the cards an easy way.
Me: No, I had zero problems with all the card you mentionned as hard to get, never complained about them (I had a very hard time with the Masked Carnivales ones but that because I hate that content). I just think there is something wrong with the way you get this one. Here is why
You: Yeah no, at this point, I think you just want to get the cards by just talking to npc.

That's basically our conversation... I don't know, I might be the only one thinking that, but I really don't understand how you guys get to that conclusion. That speech is so deeply rooted in the community it's baffling.

I got to the conclusion because you already said you cleared Stb Eureka, something that easily takes way more time than 40 floors of a deep dungeon. How can you say Eureka is easier than Orthos? How can you say its easier for people to get the cards in Eureka than Orthos? Like I just realized, collecting cards is hardcore and shouldn't be easy to collect. You don't like Deep Dungeons? I'm sorry but thats the only way to get the card. Making it easier to get weakens the difficulty of collecting all the cards.

[Thurmnmurmn]

So I just wanted to point out a flaw in your logic. There's a lot of flaws in asking for this to be easier but this was a big ol' wtf when I saw it.
In your first post you say that the majority of the player base are high end difficulty players (totally wrong but I'm using your logic here). Then you proceed to ask for this to be easier and list reasons. According to your first post, the majority of the player base doesn't want what you want, so this is totally selfish on your part and YOU just want the card easier. The only reason any of this is an issue to you is because you want your card.

But for actual advice, do like the pf groups for memoria misera ex. Start an orthos group and advertise it as a TT card farm. You're not the only one who only wants the card.

[DixieBellOCE]

Wouldn't the simple answer just be...

Play the game?

Is being challenged to do something in the game for a reward such a big deal that its worth having it nerfed?

[kevin_satron]

play the game

[TaleraRistain]

This has always annoyed me with the card collecting. I have every card up to the 6.35 patch and we rarely have to play NPCs for cards anymore. I'm not against the occasional drop from trials and stuff, but it'd be nice to have to actually play NPCs in TT matches more than nearly every card being dropped from some form of content other than playing the game itself.

This is one of my biggest irritations with most of the recent TT cards. Why the eff do we not get them from playing the minigame? I am much more interested in putting the cards I get to good use, building a good deck, and outsmarting an otter over 100 times than just getting lucky on some RNG drop.

[CNitsah]

In your first post you say that the majority of the player base are high end difficulty players.

I said
"have no interest in try harding high difficulty content (...), which is, from what I got, most of your community.", which is the exact opposite of what you understood. Then I said that try harder of the pf crowd (for EO) are there for clearing the whole thing, rushing as much as possible until late floors. Which lead to my point that forcing to casual player to play like more intense player was a barrier, and that it would be nice to do something about that. I also covered somewhere why making your own pf for the card end you being ignored by most and raise a lot the probability of wiping at the lvl 40 boss (the whole "why is the lvl 40 boss harder than, 50, 60 and 70 came from there"). You can disagree with me, but in this case, you misread me.

I would add it's not because I wanted the card I can't have a deeper problem with how you have access to the content that gave it. In the end it comes more to "how the vast majority of people that effectively use pf don't align with the majority players". When you put something like a TT card, that the whole game told you "you just need to invest time, it's gonna be long, sometimes difficult, but you'll never have to care about how the other players play, just how you want to play", and suddenly, it doesn't anymore, something seems off to me. There was a shift in what is the barrier to a card, and that's what I'm complaining about. For other it is the actual content of the game, with this one it adds finding the party that will have the same objectives to run the content to that barrier. Now, maybe I'm the unluckiest guy with the PF which biased my thoughts.

Yet, the whole rant was basically voided by the answer that said that in the past, they made the TT card available another way after a time. If they do then ok. For a few page, I've just been reacting to people putting in my mouth word that are not mine.

[Deceptus]

And this is why putting it behind floor 40 was a terrible idea. Sunday night, ~1900 CST. It's like this all day, every day. No one is running this via the PF.

[Reimar]

Remember the HoH cards? Remember how there's an NPC you can duel to get them if they don't drop for you?

They'll probably add an Orthos NPC down the line.

[DiaDeem]

You can PF, btw. It's rather easy to get a party going.