Remove black screen fade when taking resurrection

[Brightamethyst]

My response was specifically talking about why it doesn't work the same way as Rescue, but sure, let's argue semantics.

Obviously it could be changed. The devs could do literally anything if they wanted to to spend the time and resources on it. But what could be doesn't change how it works right now. Right now raise moves you with a teleport rather than moving your corpse along the ground, and unless that changes (and it probably won't for the reasons I mentioned above) it's unlikely the screen fade with go away.

[Rongway]

Right now raise moves you with a teleport rather than moving your corpse along the ground

What do you think a teleport-raise is though?

1. The feather animation happens.
2. Your character model becomes invisible.
3. The screen fades out.
4. Your character position is updated to the new position.
5. Your camera is moved to the new position.
6. The screen fades back in.
7. Your character model becomes visible.
8. Your character does the getting up animation.

What is a movement ability?

1. The rescue/manipulation/smokebomb animation happens.
2. (Optional) Your character model becomes invisible.
3. The screen fades out.
4. Your character position is updated to the new position.
5. Your camera is moved to the new position.
6. The screen fades back in.
7. (Optional) Your character model becomes visible.
8. Your character does the staggering/reappearing animation.

Shukuchi does exactly what Raise does but without the black screen. Making one more like the other would be a trivial change.

[Brightamethyst]

Shukuchi does exactly what Raise does but without the black screen.

It does not.

Abilities like Rescue and Shukuchi physically move you along the ground same as if you walked, just faster and with a special animation. That's why you fall off and die if you try to Rescue someone across a hole in a platform and get damaged if you Shukuchi over a ground AoE, and the like. Raise doesn't work like that. You can raise people to places they normally couldn't get to. Across platforms on Diamond, up onto the lamp post in Kugane, etc, meaning the game is actually teleporting you rather than making you move along the ground super fast. THAT is the difference.

[Rongway]

Not if the programming is set up to remove your character from the instance, rebuild it using standard 'raise' modifiers and then send you back into the instance. You do that 'teleport' thing when you accept the raise every time, after all.

It doesn't do that. That would be a whole lot of unnecessary steps that are obviously handled by the very simple application of Weakness or Brink of Death debuffs. Your character data is not destroyed and rebuilt when you raise. The model just becomes invisible, gets repositioned, and then made visible again.

That, and the raise isn't instantaneous either.

The movement of your invisible character model is, but that's still a largely irrelevant point. See my timelines in the previous posts, which clearly account for the steps where animations happen, separate from the movement of the character and camera. What happens before and after the movement is not important. This thread is concerned with the blackout and what happens during the time the character and camera are moved. Changing that section of the timeline would not have any effect on the rest of the time line.

Abilities like Rescue and Shukuchi physically move you along the ground same as if you walked, just faster and with a special animation.

I promise you that point is not as important as you think it is. Whether the character model moves at a non-instantaneous pace or an instantaneous one is immaterial; in any case it is ultimately a matter of (1) setting a new character position, (2) setting the camera position to match, and (3) moving the character and the camera to their new positions. Whether you ignore the terrain or not does not matter to whether or not the screen needs to go black: it does not need to; that it does is an aesthetic choice, not a technical one.

Across platforms on Diamond

Like how the teleporters in the Diamond Weapon arena teleport you across from one ship to the other without blacking the screen or killing you in the center void? <== THIS is how simple it would be to give us a raise that moves the camera without blacking the screen. Thanks for the example.

[DPZ2]

Your character data is not destroyed and rebuilt when you raise
.

All current debuffs are removed. Health points are increased from 0 to 10%. The rez debuff is applied. Your gear takes a decided hit. You definitely hear the 'teleport' sound, followed by the 'rez' animation.

And you and I have absolutely no idea of what code is written to do all of that, although I conceive it as destroying and rebuilding your character and you do not.

The other 'teleport' examples brought up do not involve changing your character in any way, shape, or form. They do not play the 'rez' animation for your character. So, it's not doing what you think it's doing.

[Daeriion_Aeradiir]

in any case it is ultimately a matter of (1) setting a new character position, (2) setting the camera position to match, and (3) moving the character and the camera to their new position.

Bolded is the important point here - the reason for the black screen in its entirety is to create a seamless transition from one point to another. It's a pretty game industry standard effect to mask extremely jarring movements over long distances, some developers simply have better ways to mask the transition with environmental tricks (Dark Souls does a whole bunch of these transition trickeries, for example). It's the same reason there's black screens when you go through things like portals in The Chrysalis, Halicarnassus in O3's desert maze, etc. The actual area you're warped to exists right next to the arena field you fight in and could theoretically get moved there without a load screen in 0.5s, but the movement is insanely jarring. Which is the ultimate point here why raise has the fade out - it creates a much more smoother, pleasant on the eye transition.

However, there is a crucial point that you get wrong about your shukuchi example - shukuchi is not an instantaneous movement, your character slides to the location quickly, on top of the camera follows you during the slide to match your character's movement. This is extremely important, as it creates the exact same seamless transition from one point to another that's pleasing to the eye. With raise being point A -> point B with absolutely zero interpolated locations inbetween, there is no opportunity to create the fluid motion from one location to another. That's also without factoring in that the theoretical highest distance for shukuchi is only 20yalms, whereas with raise you can get raised 30y away, creating an extremely jarring camera snap from point A to point B.

As far as potentially emulating rescue and causing the body to slide instead of warp? I doubt that's possible - we already know dead bodies can interact with stages elements (like if a diamond weapon platform gets destroyed, the dead body falls off of it and gets respawned elsewhere. I have zero doubts trying to slide the body over instead of warping it would cause the body to interact with field elements like pits/etc and cause a massive delay/issue in the respawning process.

For another example of why the developers do the fadeout - why do you think animation developers bother to animate the frames of the character moving in between one location and another, even when they're moving at high speeds? Or even during instant teleporting like in DBZ, why they always leave & create distortion effects at their start & end locations? Simply having a character start in one location and end in another is extremely uncanny for the vast majority. If you want an in-game example of something that looks extremely uncanny of instant warping, go do Elusive jump off a cliff with an area you can land on below. Your character will instantaneously snap to the bottom of the cliff, but the movement itself looks insanely wrong.

In the couple of gaming projects I've worked on at AAA studios, anytime we had instantaneous teleporting and hadn't put in the fading yet, the game testers would always complain & submit bug tickets regarding it citing that it looked wrong/broken - at the end of the day, it all comes down to the perception of smooth movement or the suspension of disbelief of moving from one spot to another without making it look uncanny.

[Raven2014]

Bolded is the important point here - the reason for the black screen in its entirety is to create a seamless transition from one point to another. It's a pretty game industry standard effect to mask extremely jarring movements over long distances, some developers simply have better ways to mask the transition with environmental tricks

Yeah, if you had ever played with some who lagging really bad, when they die their corpse would just rubber banding around the arena, very creepy and ackward. And rescue-res would be the same thing.

However, there is a crucial point that you get wrong about your shukuchi example - shukuchi is not an instantaneous movement, your character slides to the location quickly, on top of the camera follows you during the slide to match your character's movement. This is extremely important, as it creates the exact same seamless transition from one point to another that's pleasing to the eye. With raise being point A -> point B with absolutely zero interpolated locations inbetween, there is no opportunity to create the fluid motion from one location to another.

This is another valid point, outside of actual teleport, the game has no actual physical displacement, everything is just extremely fast movement masked with an illusionary animation. Case in point, you can't use DRG jump hope over a ground AOE (you still gonna get the tick even if you never land on it), nor you can use it to hop over a split platform (you just gonna fall down). Without teleportation, there would be no way for a healer to res someone that's not on the same platform of them if there are a split arena.

[Rongway]

However, there is a crucial point that you get wrong about your shukuchi example - shukuchi is not an instantaneous movement, your character slides to the location quickly, on top of the camera follows you during the slide to match your character's movement. This is extremely important, as it creates the exact same seamless transition from one point to another that's pleasing to the eye. With raise being point A -> point B with absolutely zero interpolated locations inbetween, there is no opportunity to create the fluid motion from one location to another. That's also without factoring in that the theoretical highest distance for shukuchi is only 20yalms, whereas with raise you can get raised 30y away, creating an extremely jarring camera snap from point A to point B.

It's not important. The timing of the pre-move, move, and post-move can be adjusted so that the movement happens smoothly enough without affecting the total raise sequence timing. Of course an instantaneous camera movement from point A to point B that happens in a single frame would be jarring; that's obviously not what we're asking for here. Let's review the relevant portion of the timeline again.

Currently, here's what is involved in just the movement:

1. The character model becomes invisible.
2. The screen fades to black.
3. The character's position is updated.
4. The camera's position is updated. The camera instantaneously moves to the new poisition.
5. The screen fades in.
6. The character model becomes visible.

There is plenty of time between when character model becomes invisible and when it becomes visible again to move the camera smoothly to the new position instead of fading the screen in and out.

Maybe it is the way it is for the same reason you can't accept party invites while engaged with the marketboard. Spaghetti code that's been around probably since 1.0.

We really need to stop blaming everything on "spaghetti code". We're talking about a movement animation. That's all. We're not querying any database tables or making changes to the data structures that could be abused if done in an improper order.

Yeah, if you had ever played with some who lagging really bad, when they die their corpse would just rubber banding around the arena, very creepy and ackward. And rescue-res would be the same thing.

That's a non-issue: the character model is invisible during the movement portion of the raise. For everyone who is not the dead person, it wouldn't look any different than it already does. Removing the fade would affect only the dead person because the dead person is the only one who sees the screen fade anyway.

This is another valid point, outside of actual teleport, the game has no actual physical displacement, everything is just extremely fast movement masked with an illusionary animation. Case in point, you can't use DRG jump hope over a ground AOE (you still gonna get the tick even if you never land on it), nor you can use it to hop over a split platform (you just gonna fall down). Without teleportation, there would be no way for a healer to res someone that's not on the same platform of them if there are a split arena.

Diamond Weapon example clearly contradicts this. Terrain is irrelevant to the problem.

[dspguy]

Like how the teleporters in the Diamond Weapon arena teleport you across from one ship to the other without blacking the screen or killing you in the center void? <== THIS is how simple it would be to give us a raise that moves the camera without blacking the screen. Thanks for the example.

Both you and Brightamethyst make great points.

Maybe it is the way it is for the same reason you can't accept party invites while engaged with the marketboard. Spaghetti code that's been around probably since 1.0.

[ArcaneToast]

This absolutely, in some ways I wish they changed jump abilities to actually jump off the ground