Remove black screen fade when taking resurrection

[Xirean]

Just walk out of the fire, then. When you are revived, you are temporarily invincible for a few seconds. That invincibility goes away instantly if you use any abilities, but you can still move around. So, best thing you can do before getting back into the fight is wait for someone to heal you up before you even think of attacking anything.

The fire is more of a symbolic example. If "just walk out of the bad" worked for every scenario then I would agree, but that invulnerability buff doesn't protect you from instant death effects, such as a train smacking you in the face during Nier. An indicator showing you and only you exactly where you would respawn would be very helpful to avoid immediately dying again.

[dspguy]

They can't. It doesn't work that way. Movement abilities (Rescue, Jump, Shukuchi , etc) are just that. Movement. They're all still tied to the ground and everything on it. Ever try to Shukuchi over or Rescue someone across a death puddle or a gap in a platform? Yeah... That's why they can't just make Raise work like Rescue. Otherwise you'd try to raise someone on the opposite Diamond platform and the corpse would just slide off into the sky.

As for why even short range teleports require a loading screen in the first place, who knows? Personally my guess is either old tech, an anti-botting mechanic (trying to curb teleport hacks), or both, but really it could be anything.

Fair points.

Sounds like PS2 limitations though (FFXI reference)

[Rongway]

They can't. It doesn't work that way.

They can. The way it works can be changed. That's what programmers are for. There's no way the code that currently handles it is so complicated it can't easily be modified to raise and move your character safely without blacking the screen, because that's exactly what it already does while the screen is black. The black screen is 100% an aesthetic decision to prevent you from seeing your camera snap to the new location. It's not a technical issue. It can be removed.

[Brightamethyst]

My response was specifically talking about why it doesn't work the same way as Rescue, but sure, let's argue semantics.

Obviously it could be changed. The devs could do literally anything if they wanted to to spend the time and resources on it. But what could be doesn't change how it works right now. Right now raise moves you with a teleport rather than moving your corpse along the ground, and unless that changes (and it probably won't for the reasons I mentioned above) it's unlikely the screen fade with go away.

[Rongway]

Right now raise moves you with a teleport rather than moving your corpse along the ground

What do you think a teleport-raise is though?

1. The feather animation happens.
2. Your character model becomes invisible.
3. The screen fades out.
4. Your character position is updated to the new position.
5. Your camera is moved to the new position.
6. The screen fades back in.
7. Your character model becomes visible.
8. Your character does the getting up animation.

What is a movement ability?

1. The rescue/manipulation/smokebomb animation happens.
2. (Optional) Your character model becomes invisible.
3. The screen fades out.
4. Your character position is updated to the new position.
5. Your camera is moved to the new position.
6. The screen fades back in.
7. (Optional) Your character model becomes visible.
8. Your character does the staggering/reappearing animation.

Shukuchi does exactly what Raise does but without the black screen. Making one more like the other would be a trivial change.

[DPZ2]

Don't forget that Raise also places a 1 minute debuff on your character, provides a chunk of time during which you cannot be targeted for damage, and removes all other debuffs for your character. It isn't just moving from point A to point B. The game is doing more than one thing during that blackout.

[Rongway]

Don't forget that Raise also places a 1 minute debuff on your character, provides a chunk of time during which you cannot be targeted for damage, and removes all other debuffs for your character. It isn't just moving from point A to point B. The game is doing more than one thing during that blackout.

That's all trivial stuff as well, unimportant to whether or not the screen goes black. The game can set or unset whatever buffs it wants on you regardless.

[DPZ2]

That's all trivial stuff as well, unimportant to whether or not the screen goes black. The game can set or unset whatever buffs it wants on you regardless.

Not if the programming is set up to remove your character from the instance, rebuild it using standard 'raise' modifiers and then send you back into the instance. You do that 'teleport' thing when you accept the raise every time, after all. That, and the raise isn't instantaneous either.

[Brightamethyst]

Shukuchi does exactly what Raise does but without the black screen.

It does not.

Abilities like Rescue and Shukuchi physically move you along the ground same as if you walked, just faster and with a special animation. That's why you fall off and die if you try to Rescue someone across a hole in a platform and get damaged if you Shukuchi over a ground AoE, and the like. Raise doesn't work like that. You can raise people to places they normally couldn't get to. Across platforms on Diamond, up onto the lamp post in Kugane, etc, meaning the game is actually teleporting you rather than making you move along the ground super fast. THAT is the difference.

[Rongway]

Not if the programming is set up to remove your character from the instance, rebuild it using standard 'raise' modifiers and then send you back into the instance. You do that 'teleport' thing when you accept the raise every time, after all.

It doesn't do that. That would be a whole lot of unnecessary steps that are obviously handled by the very simple application of Weakness or Brink of Death debuffs. Your character data is not destroyed and rebuilt when you raise. The model just becomes invisible, gets repositioned, and then made visible again.

That, and the raise isn't instantaneous either.

The movement of your invisible character model is, but that's still a largely irrelevant point. See my timelines in the previous posts, which clearly account for the steps where animations happen, separate from the movement of the character and camera. What happens before and after the movement is not important. This thread is concerned with the blackout and what happens during the time the character and camera are moved. Changing that section of the timeline would not have any effect on the rest of the time line.

Abilities like Rescue and Shukuchi physically move you along the ground same as if you walked, just faster and with a special animation.

I promise you that point is not as important as you think it is. Whether the character model moves at a non-instantaneous pace or an instantaneous one is immaterial; in any case it is ultimately a matter of (1) setting a new character position, (2) setting the camera position to match, and (3) moving the character and the camera to their new positions. Whether you ignore the terrain or not does not matter to whether or not the screen needs to go black: it does not need to; that it does is an aesthetic choice, not a technical one.

Across platforms on Diamond

Like how the teleporters in the Diamond Weapon arena teleport you across from one ship to the other without blacking the screen or killing you in the center void? <== THIS is how simple it would be to give us a raise that moves the camera without blacking the screen. Thanks for the example.