Why do people avoid getting better at the game?

[Atelier-Bagur]

Then why is it that in FFXIV you can be max level and have literally no idea what you are doing? This game requires only very very little of the player to progress through the story which is the only true required content of the game since so much is locked behind doing it.


You don't necessarily get better playing a game the longer you play it. You can not improve or even regress in some cases. 14 shows perfectly how you can complete an entire campaign comprised of the base game + 4 expansions of story and still fail basic tutorials on gameplay.

Every msq dungeon and trial teaches the player of mechanics that they'll encounter in the optional content, where they amp up some of them while still sprinkling new things. But the job of knowing the familiarity of the mechanics is all the game should push you into understanding how harder content works. I dont believe you that you encounter players so bad that they constantly make mistakes. Ive been playing this game for quite a while and its very rare for me to encounter atrocious level of gameplay from your average casual.

[Absimiliard]

I dont believe you that you encounter players so bad that they constantly make mistakes. Ive been playing this game for quite a while and its very rare for me to encounter atrocious level of gameplay from your average casual.

I dunno man. I've got some pretty atrocious luck when it comes to random groups. I only started tanking because of the inordinate amount of people I run into whose brains don't seem to have enough RAM for them to perform combos and breathe at the same time.

[kaynide]

this is NOT the game for them.... Casulization is a cancer that needs to be cut out. You can't make a great game by catering to some people who refuse to actually improve....

Have fun figuring out how to keep a massive MMORPG designed for casual players afloat without the casual player revenue.

Again, those other games exist. Can't understand why people complain about X game not being Y-enough when Y-Game literally exists and is available to play.

Remember, hardcore content exists because there is demand for it, but it's more of a bone-thrown situation than the main "deal". Yoshi-P even ranted about "What's the point of even having hardcore content if people just cheat it", so it's not like he's married to the idea of even having hard content at all.

[Shinkuno]

Have fun figuring out how to keep a massive MMORPG designed for casual players afloat without the casual player revenue.

Again, those other games exist. Can't understand why people complain about X game not being Y-enough when Y-Game literally exists and is available to play.

Remember, hardcore content exists because there is demand for it, but it's more of a bone-thrown situation than the main "deal". Yoshi-P even ranted about "What's the point of even having hardcore content if people just cheat it", so it's not like he's married to the idea of even having hard content at all.

again, there is a difference between braindead and casual, currently this game caters to people that dont want to play a game

[kaynide]

again, there is a difference between braindead and casual, currently this game caters to people that dont want to play a game

I'm not sure we are playing the same game. There was plenty of thinking to do when I went into Zodiark MSQ blind. Wasn't hard after I figured it out, but calling it brain dead is rather disingenuous. I mean if you're watching videos on how to do the fight/dungeon before doing them, then yeah..duh it's gonna be brain dead for you because you didn't have to do any work to learn anything.

Well, you're free to call it whatever you want; this is the direction the game is going and will ensure years of continued expansion on the dime of casuals like my wife who aren't really here to play a game so much as have things they can do together while socializing with friends. The core is engaging as it needs to be, it appeals and encourages the target audience to do it.

If that doesn't do it for you, the devs have kindly included hardcore content if you need something more challenging.

Above you'll find a great example of some friends challenging dungeons without the use of a healer. Or wild Bluemage challenges. It's really only limited by your own imagination.

If all of that is too brain dead for you, there are other games.

[Jojoya]

again, there is a difference between braindead and casual, currently this game caters to people that dont want to play a game

You do understand that combat is not required to make a game a game, don't you?

When I want a break from this game, I usually play games have no combat involved (Cities: Skylines being my primary go-to).

If you want to say that FFXIV caters to players that prefer non-combat content, I can see some truth in that. But it also caters to players who want combat. It provides content for both, with a slight emphasis on the combat side since going through the portions of MSQ and class quests is required to unlock even the non-combat features.

SE want the game to appeal to a diverse group of players and that's fine. The only players that seem to have a problem with that are those who want to feel special for playing a difficult combat focused game and this game is too diverse to fill that desire.

If you don't want to be known for playing a game that caters to players you consider "braindead", then don't play that game. It's not going to change because you toss around juvenile insults thinking you will wound someone's vanity enough to force change. They don't care. If anything, the insults just rebound back on you making you even angrier because you're still not getting what you want.

It's not up to SE to give you what you want. It's up to you to find it.

[Shinkuno]

You do understand that combat is not required to make a game a game, don't you?

When I want a break from this game, I usually play games have no combat involved (Cities: Skylines being my primary go-to).

If you want to say that FFXIV caters to players that prefer non-combat content, I can some truth in that. But it also caters to players who want combat. It provides content for both, with a slight emphasis on the combat side since going through the portions of MSQ and class quests is required to unlock even the non-combat features.

SE want the game to appeal to a diverse group of players and that's fine. The only players that seem to have a problem with that are those who want to feel special for playing a difficult combat focused game and this game is too diverse to fill that desire.

If you don't want to be known for playing a game that caters to players you consider "braindead", then don't play that game. It's not going to change because you toss around juvenile insults thinking you will wound someone's vanity enough to force change. They don't care. If anything, the insults just rebound back on you making you even angrier because you're still not getting what you want.

It's not up to SE to give you what you want. It's up to you to find it.

No matter what you believe, running from a to b to trigger a cutscene doesnt qualify as a game

[Jojoya]

No matter what you believe, running from a to b to trigger a cutscene doesnt qualify as a game

No matter what you want to believe, there is a lot more to this game than running from a to b to trigger a cutscene.

[VelKallor]

No matter what you believe, running from a to b to trigger a cutscene doesnt qualify as a game

It does as far as this one is concerned, seeing FF 14 is a story driven JRPG first and an MMO second.

[Absurdity]

It does as far as this one is concerned, seeing FF 14 is a story driven JRPG first and an MMO second.

You must've played some shit JRPGs then. Not even Square's own actual singleplayer JRPGs have such monotonous gameplay.