Why do people avoid getting better at the game?

[Jokerz_93]

what's the problem with a lot of people not being good ?

The same problem with a lot of people being too elitist. Ruin the experience of the game.

[sagacious]

The same problem with a lot of people being too elitist. Ruin the experience of the game.

Exactly, I joined a roulette party in progress where the healer had been kicked and I didn't have time to use esauna and a dps died. He got all upset and ask why didn't I use esauna on him and I told him to leave me alone I know what I'm doing. From then on the roulette was quick and fast as I used all my abilities in perfect fashion and got two commendation guess who didn't give me one .....yes (jack azz didn't)

[Velvet_Lunarfang]

The same problem with a lot of people being too elitist. Ruin the experience of the game.

Well here is like Haseo told Atoli in .hack GU I don't have time to look at the pretty things in a game I am here to get better and stronger. People who afk in Limsa or any other city just to sit there and BS all day should go play another game catered to them. I don't have time to carry a incompetent player who can't carry their weight in a fight to wipe everyone and not only waste my time but other's players time because you refuse to get better. If you have time to gossip and talk in a city you got time to get better. If I notice you mess up mechanics not once twice but multiple of times and been told how it happens and still refuse then you don't deserve to play. This isn't the game for you. Find something better that is suited for your skill level.

[kaynide]

Well here is like Haseo told Atoli in .hack GU I don't have time to look at the pretty things in a game I am here to get better and stronger. People who afk in Limsa or any other city just to sit there and BS all day should go play another game catered to them. I don't have time to carry a incompetent player who can't carry their weight in a fight to wipe everyone and not only waste my time but other's players time because you refuse to get better. If you have time to gossip and talk in a city you got time to get better. If I notice you mess up mechanics not once twice but multiple of times and been told how it happens and still refuse then you don't deserve to play. This isn't the game for you. Find something better that is suited for your skill level.

This is literally that game for them. To BS around and play casually. And screw up mechanics if need be. That’s why the ToS is as protective of newbies as it is. SE likes the casual crowd and the money they bring in.

You have other games you can go hardcore in and play to a high degree of skill. Diablo 4 has free beta weekend now. Path of Exile is also quite rewarding to high skill play, and has a built in ladder so you can waggle your epeen around, if it’s so important to be so good.

Play them on hardcore mode to your hearts content, where 1 mistake deletes your character entirely. It’s fun, if not stressful.

There is literally no point to being very very good or having BiS in this game outside of personal accomplishment because once you have it, there is no super secret ultra hard content requiring such gear.

[Velvet_Lunarfang]

This is literally that game for them. To BS around and play casually. And screw up mechanics if need be. That’s why the ToS is as protective of newbies as it is. SE likes the casual crowd and the money they bring in.

You have other games you can go hardcore in and play to a high degree of skill. Diablo 4 has free beta weekend now. Path of Exile is also quite rewarding to high skill play, and has a built in ladder so you can waggle your epeen around, if it’s so important to be so good.

Play them on hardcore mode to your hearts content, where 1 mistake deletes your character entirely. It’s fun, if not stressful.

There is literally no point to being very very good or having BiS in this game outside of personal accomplishment because once you have it, there is no super secret ultra hard content requiring such gear.

this is NOT the game for them. If you are holding other's down because you refuse to get better then that is the problem. Casulization is a cancer that needs to be cut out. You can't make a great game by catering to some people who refuse to actually improve. Tired of hearing excuses for people NOT wanting to get better. If you mess up I WILL call you out on it. Your mistake will cause everyone else to suffer because of someone lack of knowledge in game or lack of skill. You want to play a MMO then learn to play it. You want to hang out to chat all day then find a online chatroom and chat. Casual playstyle has always ruined someone and F them for ruining it. Time for people to get thick skinned and grow a backbone if they can't handle some critique. If you are at work and act that way and can't pull your weight you will get called out same here. Stop holding other's down and think that other people actually want to progress and be good not hold your hand.

[Vahlnir]

this is NOT the game for them. If you are holding other's down because you refuse to get better then that is the problem. Casulization is a cancer that needs to be cut out. You can't make a great game by catering to some people who refuse to actually improve. Tired of hearing excuses for people NOT wanting to get better. If you mess up I WILL call you out on it. Your mistake will cause everyone else to suffer because of someone lack of knowledge in game or lack of skill. You want to play a MMO then learn to play it. You want to hang out to chat all day then find a online chatroom and chat. Casual playstyle has always ruined someone and F them for ruining it. Time for people to get thick skinned and grow a backbone if they can't handle some critique. If you are at work and act that way and can't pull your weight you will get called out same here. Stop holding other's down and think that other people actually want to progress and be good not hold your hand.

I'm all for personal improvement, but I feel that you are incorrect. This IS the game for them. However, I do think that the game is becoming less and less for people like me, which is another subject entirely. Either way I think that you are making a mountain out of a molehill at this point. This game has never been hardcore or even remotely difficult outside of higher end content, in my opinion. It is a casual MMO by design.

[Tigore]

this is NOT the game for them. If you are holding other's down because you refuse to get better then that is the problem. Casulization is a cancer that needs to be cut out. You can't make a great game by catering to some people who refuse to actually improve. Tired of hearing excuses for people NOT wanting to get better. If you mess up I WILL call you out on it. Your mistake will cause everyone else to suffer because of someone lack of knowledge in game or lack of skill. You want to play a MMO then learn to play it. You want to hang out to chat all day then find a online chatroom and chat. Casual playstyle has always ruined someone and F them for ruining it. Time for people to get thick skinned and grow a backbone if they can't handle some critique. If you are at work and act that way and can't pull your weight you will get called out same here. Stop holding other's down and think that other people actually want to progress and be good not hold your hand.

This is getting too far. I am trying to see what baseline difficulty would be agreed upon and we are back to this arguing. I can agree that combative beginners never listening is quite bad, but to say casual gaming is cancer? Do you really mean that? Especially when the stats are expected to be low for Savage and Ultimate participation?

At some point, the veterans will need to take a break, so new players are needed to keep the flow going. I have taken year breaks a couple times despite starting around Heavensward.

The spells being changed to be easier is also a strange thing for MMOs. We want something new every expansion and we already have full spell bars in comparison. I remember having 3 versions of Aero Dots to keep up as WHM back then. Pretty much replaced with Afflatus Solace / Rapture and Misery now. Whether this is right or not is up in the air for discussion if players should always expect new spell changes every expansion.

As for the Switch being a counter argument for easy ... Didn't we just get Metroid Prime Remaster released there for a decent challenge that had a lot of physical copies sold out?

[kaynide]

this is NOT the game for them.... Casulization is a cancer that needs to be cut out. You can't make a great game by catering to some people who refuse to actually improve....

Have fun figuring out how to keep a massive MMORPG designed for casual players afloat without the casual player revenue.

Again, those other games exist. Can't understand why people complain about X game not being Y-enough when Y-Game literally exists and is available to play.

Remember, hardcore content exists because there is demand for it, but it's more of a bone-thrown situation than the main "deal". Yoshi-P even ranted about "What's the point of even having hardcore content if people just cheat it", so it's not like he's married to the idea of even having hard content at all.

[Shinkuno]

Have fun figuring out how to keep a massive MMORPG designed for casual players afloat without the casual player revenue.

Again, those other games exist. Can't understand why people complain about X game not being Y-enough when Y-Game literally exists and is available to play.

Remember, hardcore content exists because there is demand for it, but it's more of a bone-thrown situation than the main "deal". Yoshi-P even ranted about "What's the point of even having hardcore content if people just cheat it", so it's not like he's married to the idea of even having hard content at all.

again, there is a difference between braindead and casual, currently this game caters to people that dont want to play a game