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    Quote Originally Posted by Gemina View Post
    No they don't. Are you going to seriously sit there and tell me tell me that Sastasha is harder than the Lapis Manalis, or that Ifrit on NM is harder than Cagnazzo?

    The only thing about dungeons that gets easier are handling large trash pulls, and this happens as a result of getting additional abilities that help sustain the tank, and burn mobs to a crisp. That's it.

    As far as dungeon bosses go, the difficulty just depends on the type of mechanics the devs decide to throw at the players, and how punishing they are for failing. A good example of a dungeon being less difficult than the dungeon before it would be The Aitiascope in comparison to Ktisis Hyperboreia. I've witnessed the last two bosses of the latter just wreck parties who are not prepared, thinking they'll just skate through these two goons. I'm not saying that the mechanics for these bosses are crazy difficult, but they do require you to pay attention to what is going onscreen instead of tunnel visioning in your rotation.

    Difficulty is also relative. Just because something is easy for you, does not mean it is for everyone. Quit gaslighting.
    If people actually used their buttons instead of still spamming cure 1 in lv90 content, then yes current dungeons would be a million times easier than mid ARR/HW dungeons where you are strippe off all your tools. When i get a tank that knows what to do, i never have to use half my kit cause its just that easy
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    Quote Originally Posted by Shinkuno View Post
    If people actually used their buttons instead of still spamming cure 1 in lv90 content, then yes current dungeons would be a million times easier than mid ARR/HW dungeons where you are strippe off all your tools. When i get a tank that knows what to do, i never have to use half my kit cause its just that easy
    What are you even talking about? This sounds like you're regurgitating the thoughts of the echo chamber, but lack of experience healing in dungeons has you making any sense of it. The more abilities all the roles get, the less a healer has to rely on GCD heals to sustain the group. Ease of trash pulls in dungeons is a team effort. Tanks using their skills mitigate damage, healers using oGCD skills to help sustain while dealing damage, and DPS figuring out ways to optimize their kits to burn the trash quickly so healers don't burn up their resources and end up having to spam GCD heals. It has always been this way, with the difference between low level and later dungeons are players have more skills to accomplish. this. In lower level dungeons, healers have no choice but to use GCD heals because they do not have enough oGCD abilities to take care of the job.

    Besides, trash pulls don't have mechanics. The dungeon difficulty I'm referring to belongs to the bosses. What later dungeons have a lot more of than earlier ones are a guaranteed wipe if the healer eats dirt and there is not another job like RDM or SMN to raise them. If you're a healer in these instances, I would worry a lot less about getting a tank who knows what to do, and make sure you're staying on your own feet. If you die, the wipe is pretty much entirely on you.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Gemina View Post
    What are you even talking about? This sounds like you're regurgitating the thoughts of the echo chamber, but lack of experience healing in dungeons has you making any sense of it. The more abilities all the roles get, the less a healer has to rely on GCD heals to sustain the group. Ease of trash pulls in dungeons is a team effort. Tanks using their skills mitigate damage, healers using oGCD skills to help sustain while dealing damage, and DPS figuring out ways to optimize their kits to burn the trash quickly so healers don't burn up their resources and end up having to spam GCD heals. It has always been this way, with the difference between low level and later dungeons are players have more skills to accomplish. this. In lower level dungeons, healers have no choice but to use GCD heals because they do not have enough oGCD abilities to take care of the job.

    Besides, trash pulls don't have mechanics. The dungeon difficulty I'm referring to belongs to the bosses. What later dungeons have a lot more of than earlier ones are a guaranteed wipe if the healer eats dirt and there is not another job like RDM or SMN to raise them. If you're a healer in these instances, I would worry a lot less about getting a tank who knows what to do, and make sure you're staying on your own feet. If you die, the wipe is pretty much entirely on you.
    i wonder if you realize that you basically say that its easier without realizing
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    Quote Originally Posted by Shinkuno View Post
    i wonder if you realize that you basically say that its easier without realizing
    I wonder if you even know how to read.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Gemina View Post
    I wonder if you even know how to read.
    Apparently better than you
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    Quote Originally Posted by Shinkuno View Post
    Apparently better than you
    All evidence the contrary. Because if you did you'd have a counter argument at very least instead of a snide comment that does nothing to dispute what I'm talking about.

    Care to try again, champ? Or do you want to continue to troll with more verbal garbage?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Gemina View Post
    All evidence the contrary. Because if you did you'd have a counter argument at very least instead of a snide comment that does nothing to dispute what I'm talking about.

    Care to try again, champ? Or do you want to continue to troll with more verbal garbage?
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    Matsya is an elephant. I cant blame them for not casting the voice to a talking elephant.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gemina View Post
    The dungeon difficulty I'm referring to belongs to the bosses. What later dungeons have a lot more of than earlier ones are a guaranteed wipe if the healer eats dirt and there is not another job like RDM or SMN to raise them. If you're a healer in these instances, I would worry a lot less about getting a tank who knows what to do, and make sure you're staying on your own feet. If you die, the wipe is pretty much entirely on you.
    Or you can get a Tank that knows what they're doing and can solo practically any boss from ShB-EW with little issue.

    The last dungeon boss that I'd argue has any semblance of challenge is the Mist Dragon in the Burn
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    Quote Originally Posted by Silver-Strider View Post
    Or you can get a Tank that knows what they're doing and can solo practically any boss from ShB-EW with little issue.

    The last dungeon boss that I'd argue has any semblance of challenge is the Mist Dragon in the Burn
    Care to test your mettle, bub? Come with me into a dungeon of my choosing. You tank, and I'll go as heals, and I'm simply not going to heal you. Let's see how you do. You game?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Gemina View Post
    Care to test your mettle, bub? Come with me into a dungeon of my choosing. You tank, and I'll go as heals, and I'm simply not going to heal you. Let's see how you do. You game?
    I mean I think he’s kind of right. I’d take you up on this offer if you need proof. Never tried it so even if I fail and prove you right it’ll be fun. But it’s up to you.

    Just remember he specified SHB-EW era.
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