Why do people avoid getting better at the game?

[Pratini]

How about you post with your main so we can check how good you are?

[Kes13a]

How about you post with your main so we can check how good you are?

considering this is the most recent in the continuing series of how bad all other players are, I suspect the OP avoids that to keep the "ooh and ahhs" and thunderous applause in check.

[Remolia]

How about you post with your main so we can check how good you are?

How can u determ if player is "good" or "bad" relying only on lodestone page?

[Chloe_Saunders]

Well If there is something I'm not seeing in the game from where i am, I'm not that far yet so can't speak much. There doesn't seem much there that is hard enough to push you into getting better, so far each dungeon seems easier than the last one. (i've only done up to stone so far so this could change) Game seems to be missing a learning curve (could be wrong again) that may change as i get in later but as of now not so much.

If there isn't anything to push you to the next level, a learning curve so to speak I doubt people will do as you say get better op.

Im assuming extreme/ and all that is the basic of wows myth plus stuff and when you don't have a prebuilt reason to push to get better to dominate a said content, as you progress building your character and yourself up in process that type stuff will be like a shot out of no where of a jump.

[Midareyukki]

Well If there is something I'm not seeing in the game from where i am, I'm not that far yet so can't speak much. There doesn't seem much there that is hard enough to push you into getting better, so far each dungeon seems easier than the last one. (i've only done up to stone so far so this could change) Game seems to be missing a learning curve (could be wrong again) that may change as i get in later but as of now not so much.

That's mostly thanks to them realizing from ARR to HSW and from HSW to SB that some of their early design choices were not the most pleasant to go through. People may say what they want about dungeons like Thousand Maws of Toto-Rak, Dzemael Darkhold or Aurum Vale, but overall while the dungeons were definitely unique and experimental, the way the game is designed and structured made them really uncomfortable to go through. Especially as class design got condensed and stripped of some early level features.

Right now what we have is the usual tank and spank, and that sticks, for the most part, throughout the game from then on. For better and for worse. Better, because it polished some of the "Early Instalment Weirdness" we had going on, and definitely removed some of the stink that came with irritating design choices. But worse in that the flipside to this is that things easily become predictable and boring.

So when your game is this hand-holdy, at some point you encounter a challenge you weren't prepared for and it's going to feel like the learning curve missed a step somewhere. Past that, it's up to how you react. Some people will feel like it's too much, while others will take the challenge and improve.

Not that feeling like it's too much is inherently bad, mind you. Not everyone is playing this game for the constant thrill of a challenge.
But at the same time, there's people that are. And the gap is seemingly becoming wider. And sometimes when you ask for content that's a bit tougher, or for content that's tough to remain tough, people will call foul.

[R041]

Well If there is something I'm not seeing in the game from where i am, I'm not that far yet so can't speak much. There doesn't seem much there that is hard enough to push you into getting better, so far each dungeon seems easier than the last one. (i've only done up to stone so far so this could change) Game seems to be missing a learning curve (could be wrong again) that may change as i get in later but as of now not so much.

If there isn't anything to push you to the next level, a learning curve so to speak I doubt people will do as you say get better op.

Im assuming extreme/ and all that is the basic of wows myth plus stuff and when you don't have a prebuilt reason to push to get better to dominate a said content, as you progress building your character and yourself up in process that type stuff will be like a shot out of no where of a jump.

Jokes on you, the dungeons get significantly easier over time. They practically play themselves.




I don't understand why they're so focused on making the dungeons so braindead - Do they genuinely expect a new wave of 70yo grandpas to suddenly start playing XIV AND make it all the way to Endwalker!?

At what point do they stop to think "Hey, are we just making everything so simple, that we're losing out on the whole 'Fun' part of the game?" - Are they so focused on minimalizing any abrasiveness in the ability to play and give SE money, that they just don't even attempt to make it an actually engaging game?

I'd think that if they were even concerned with reducing friction, they could start on all of the other frustrating bits the game suffers from as well, like the insane amount of button prompts, and individual clicks for so many things.

People make this weird assumption that 'Casual' means they don't want to play a game at all. Why do I have to do extremes to have fun? Why do I need to be told to go do Ultimates to feel engaging gameplay?

I feel like something's eventually going to give. Maybe it'll just be that we're going to finally be taken over by clubs and Yoshi will stop making dungeons altogether. Teleport you straight into the club, every trial rewards you with a new dance emote.

[Gemina]

Jokes on you, the dungeons get significantly easier over time. They practically play themselves.

No they don't. Are you going to seriously sit there and tell me tell me that Sastasha is harder than the Lapis Manalis, or that Ifrit on NM is harder than Cagnazzo?

The only thing about dungeons that gets easier are handling large trash pulls, and this happens as a result of getting additional abilities that help sustain the tank, and burn mobs to a crisp. That's it.

As far as dungeon bosses go, the difficulty just depends on the type of mechanics the devs decide to throw at the players, and how punishing they are for failing. A good example of a dungeon being less difficult than the dungeon before it would be The Aitiascope in comparison to Ktisis Hyperboreia. I've witnessed the last two bosses of the latter just wreck parties who are not prepared, thinking they'll just skate through these two goons. I'm not saying that the mechanics for these bosses are crazy difficult, but they do require you to pay attention to what is going onscreen instead of tunnel visioning in your rotation.

Difficulty is also relative. Just because something is easy for you, does not mean it is for everyone. Quit gaslighting.

[Jamini]

No they don't. Are you going to seriously sit there and tell me tell me that Sastasha is harder than the Lapis Manalis, or that Ifrit on NM is harder than Cagnazzo?

Uh, from what I've heard Ifrit (Hard) when it was relevant actually *was* harder than modern Cognazzo. I wasn't around then, but I've heard it was actually fairly challenging when it was released (as was Titan(Hard)!)

Don't compare level early leveling dungeons to level cap dungeons. Compare it cap to cap.

[kevin_satron]

Uh, from what I've heard Ifrit (Hard) when it was relevant actually *was* harder than modern Cognazzo. I wasn't around then, but I've heard it was actually fairly challenging when it was released (as was Titan(Hard)!)

Don't compare level early leveling dungeons to level cap dungeons. Compare it cap to cap.

it was a "little bit" harder because

1. The latency/tick rate was worse than today, so people keep getting hit by an AOE. Titan HM is another example. I mean look at this https://imgur.com/a8Ita2I
2. It almost impossible to beat it without caster LB3 to destroy the nails
3. People don't know wtf they were doing back then

[Gemina]

Uh, from what I've heard Ifrit (Hard) when it was relevant actually *was* harder than modern Cognazzo. I wasn't around then, but I've heard it was actually fairly challenging when it was released (as was Titan(Hard)!)

Don't compare level early leveling dungeons to level cap dungeons. Compare it cap to cap.

I didn't say Ifrit HM. I said Ifrit NM. The light party version of him. And no, Cagnazzo actually has more mechanics than Ifrit HM, and some of them are reused/updated mechanics from The Bowel of Embers including multiple dashes and nails.