Why do people avoid getting better at the game?

[Velvet_Lunarfang]

You're not sugarcoating anything though ... you're just being obnoxious lol. The content itself already act as a natural barrier. Like I said, if people want the reward of the higher tier content, they will up their skill because they have to, otherwise the reward is denied to them. But assuming they have no interest in those reward, or playing at a higher level isn't fun for them, then why should they? Why are you so offended at how other playing their game?


I guess people like you are everywhere. I have several people irl kept telling me I should go and get Ph.D, and I keep telling them I don't need it. I can also pick up a second job, which will give me more income ... but I don't, because I don't need it, even if it means extra money. Is that also wrong for me not "trying to be better" because those thing "exceed" what will make me happy? After all, people play their game to make them happy, not making you happy.

if you come into a trial, raid etc and don't pull your weight you are not only making me not happy but all the other players. We the players that actually do what we have to do not appreciate people that don't take the time to get better. If I heal and you make multiple mistakes all the time and die alot I will not only not heal you I will NOT rez you at all. I rather save my MP for the rest of the players that deserve it who are actually pulling their weight in a match. If you decide to play a MMO every player expects you to be at least somewhat good. If you can't do that then you are a hinderance It is time that casuals finally get what many people who have put time and effort in getting better feel when they hurt other players by dragging them down

[Raven2014]

Ok, you're obviously not reading or comprehending at all. I already said this:

Joke on you, in my hayday I was part of some of the hardcore guilds that made "don't touch me you filthy casual" their motto and fully embrace it. Even these days. I'm still pretty much not associating with "casual", like the casual over there and I'm over here, keep a respective distant When I do Ex or Savage, I carry no one. You don't pull your weight, either you get the kick or I leave. If the casual want to get into "my party", they better bring the skill or they ain't getting in.

The difference between you and me however, is that I acknowledge the boundary and different brackets. Like I said above, if a player (casual or not) want to get into the bracket that I'm in, I expect them to be up to my level. But when I cross over into their territory, I will also respect the content created for them and try to have fun with it. Unlike you, I don't make every content bracket about me.

In another word. If :

I rather save my MP for the rest of the players that deserve it who are actually pulling their weight in a match. If you decide to play a MMO every player expects you to be at least somewhat good. If you can't do that then you are a hinderance It is time that casuals finally get what many people who have put time and effort in getting better feel when they hurt other players by dragging them down

Then kick them, or leave the party with them in it. You don't have to play with people who you don't feel up to your level, I know I don't. But that's a complete different story then going a tirade on the forum about how other people need to improve for your shake, or modify content meant for a different skill bracket so that it only pleases you.

The game already give you all the tool you need to tailor the party to your taste and weed out the issue. Your current problem isn't about that though, it's about your own ego. I PF on 4 different char with hundred of kills each tier, like I said above I'm not exactly a people person, and I don't see all of these made up issues about casual people being a hindrance you're projecting. They can't hinder me when they're not even in my party, and there certainly aren't a shortage of skilled players for me to party with.

[VelKallor]

I honestly don't consider the people that afk on limsa everyday and feel entitled to every single reward with barebones participation are casuals.

Exactly how these two things are even related or coexist in any form is yet to be proven.

Casual players are people that don't give a lot of hours to the game and that don't engage in a lot of endgame activities like savage or ultimate

Endgame is whatever we want it to be...FF 14 isnt raid or die, nor is it in anyway raid reliant or dependant, your determination of 'worth" based on who raids is basically...idiotic.

not players that stay subbed and online everyday but have zero interest in any gameplay or learning curve

What gameplay in specific?

Without third party tools you actually have NOTHING to tell you if you are doing it right or wrong, if you are being able to do a good amount of damage or not, so many people do not even realize they are terrible.

The game is playable and clearable without third party tools...your reliance on these is a YOU problem.

[Xirean]

if you come into a trial, raid etc and don't pull your weight you are not only making me not happy but all the other players. We the players that actually do what we have to do not appreciate people that don't take the time to get better. If I heal and you make multiple mistakes all the time and die alot I will not only not heal you I will NOT rez you at all. I rather save my MP for the rest of the players that deserve it who are actually pulling their weight in a match. If you decide to play a MMO every player expects you to be at least somewhat good. If you can't do that then you are a hinderance It is time that casuals finally get what many people who have put time and effort in getting better feel when they hurt other players by dragging them down

Why not consider keeping that player alive to be part of the challenging content? That's what I do any time I heal in a party with someone who can't stay alive. I just make it a game to see how long I can keep them up. It's actually really funny.

[Valkyrie_Lenneth]

Casual players are people that don't give a lot of hours to the game

This is what your definition of a casual should be. Someone who doesn't spend much time in the game. That's all it means. Has nothing to do with skill level. You can have highly skilled casual players just as much as you can have terribly skilled hardcore players.



High skill also doesn't mean you won't die to the most basic of mechanics. You see it all the time in content where some ultimate titled player eats dirt from the easiest mechanic. Doesn't mean they are bad.


Now, do the trends show that people who play the game more tend to be more skilled? Yes. But that doesn't mean its always true.

[Velvet_Lunarfang]

Why not consider keeping that player alive to be part of the challenging content? That's what I do any time I heal in a party with someone who can't stay alive. I just make it a game to see how long I can keep them up. It's actually really funny.

I have to admit that is hilarious

[TomsYoungerBro]

Why do people not realize that they get better at the game after playing it for a long time.

Then why is it that in FFXIV you can be max level and have literally no idea what you are doing? This game requires only very very little of the player to progress through the story which is the only true required content of the game since so much is locked behind doing it.


You don't necessarily get better playing a game the longer you play it. You can not improve or even regress in some cases. 14 shows perfectly how you can complete an entire campaign comprised of the base game + 4 expansions of story and still fail basic tutorials on gameplay.

[Adeacia]

Then why is it that in FFXIV you can be max level and have literally no idea what you are doing? This game requires only very very little of the player to progress through the story which is the only true required content of the game since so much is locked behind doing it.


You don't necessarily get better playing a game the longer you play it. You can not improve or even regress in some cases. 14 shows perfectly how you can complete an entire campaign comprised of the base game + 4 expansions of story and still fail basic tutorials on gameplay.

This is sounding like one of those scenarios where the person is like "You aren't playing as well as I personally think you should, therefore you are bad."

That's just your opinion. If they completed the content, then they have done the minimum needed

[Jojoya]

then maybe dont play a multiplayer game? especially not one that has a ToS Clause that says if the majority of your group doesnt like what you do, you can get the boot

ToS also says that action can be taken against the majority if their decision is made under a pretense that violates the ToS. The majority is not always assumed to be in the right.

This is sounding like one of those scenarios where the person is like "You aren't playing as well as I personally think you should, therefore you are bad."

That's just your opinion. If they completed the content, then they have done the minimum needed

Not necessarily true, though I suppose that depends in part what you consider the minimum needed.

I've definitely encounters players that were a hard carry through MSQ content. I had to solo the last half of both Beatrice and Scarmiglione in Troia the other night because the rest of the group was struggling with the mechanics.

Personally I don't mind helping out players who are struggling as long as i can see they are trying to help as best they can and have a good attitude.

I also understand (and to some extent agree) why some players don't feel they should be expected to do the same.

It is however SE's call on whether such players should be allowed to continue to advance through the game. Duty Support, unfortunately, is not always a helpful solution.

[Kes13a]

It is time that casuals finally get what many people who have put time and effort in getting better feel when they hurt other players by dragging them down

I dont do savage or ultimates, but I enjoy the raids and things like that, I consider myself one of the filthy "casuals" you say are ruining your experience. not sure how I am "dragging" you down, and while I almost feel I should apologize for ruining your entire game experience by not being a sweatlord... I cant. I put a lot of effort into what I have, and by not having fishing to 90 like you, which shows how lazy I am, I feel I have put in as much effort as you. I just dislike the stress of savages etc. so, you go on being someone whose experience is ruined by my existence servers away, and I will go on enjoying my game time doing what I like ^^