Why do people avoid getting better at the game?

[Raven2014]

I think the math does favor me.

Well, if it's truly does than you wouldn't have any issue. After all, that's the only kind of math that matter to the dev. The fact you're have to sprinkle salt around kinda show the opposite.

You just upset I call casuals filthy casuals that pander for help.

Joke on you, in my hayday I was part of some of the hardcore guilds that made "don't touch me you filthy casual" their motto and fully embrace it. Even these days. I'm still pretty much not associating with "casual", like the casual over there and I'm over here, keep a respective distant When I do Ex or Savage, I carry no one. You don't pull your weight, either you get the kick or I leave. If the casual want to get into "my party", they better bring the skill or they ain't getting in.

The difference between you and me however, is that I acknowledge the boundary and different brackets. Like I said above, if a player (casual or not) want to get into the bracket that I'm in, I expect them to be up to my level. But when I cross over into their territory, I will also respect the content created for them and try to have fun with it. Unlike you, I don't make every content bracket about me.

[Velvet_Lunarfang]

Well, if it's truly does than you wouldn't have any issue. After all, that's the only kind of math that matter to the dev. The fact you're have to sprinkle salt around kinda show the opposite.



Joke on you, in my hayday I was part of some of the hardcore guilds that made "don't touch me you filthy casual" their motto and fully embrace it. Even these days. I'm still pretty much not associating with "casual", like the casual over there and I'm over here, keep a respective distant When I do Ex or Savage, I carry no one. You don't pull your weight, either you get the kick or I leave. If the casual want to get into "my party", they better bring the skill or they ain't getting in.

The difference between you and me however, is that I acknowledge the boundary and different brackets. Like I said above, if a player (casual or not) want to get into the bracket that I'm in, I expect them to be up to my level. But when I cross over into their territory, I will also respect the content created for them and try to have fun with it. Unlike you, I don't make every content bracket about me.

I'm not one to sugar coat things. I will say what's on mind and if it hurts feelings so be it. These things have to be said and there quite a few people who feel this way just won't say it out right. Only way for people to get better is to go out and play the the game how it's supposed to be played not stand around and gawk. If you got time to do that got time to get better.

[VelKallor]

how it's supposed to be played

....and that is..what exactly?

You are in big denial if you think even just half the people that you see dwelling in limsa 20 hours a day have gotten their ultimate weapon legitimately

...even bigger denial if you think the "legitimate ones " ( your words not mine) didnt get theirs without the use of third party addons.

[Atelier-Bagur]

I'm not one to sugar coat things. I will say what's on mind and if it hurts feelings so be it. These things have to be said and there quite a few people who feel this way just won't say it out right. Only way for people to get better is to go out and play the the game how it's supposed to be played not stand around and gawk. If you got time to do that got time to get better.

I'm sorry but it also needs to be said that you have no right to tell people what to do. What you think only turbo nerds back in the day played MMO's for the sake of the game? Heck no, not everyone was a raider nor did everyone knew how to play the game fully, back in those times people used the game as an interactive avenue to make friends, chat and just hang around with. Its those people that kept the genre from becoming niche and breakout into the mainstream.

[Kolaina]

And I gonna maintain my opinion the reasons the 2.0 early trial were perceived as difficulty were because how fresh the player base then.

2.0 trial? Fresh player base? TP was around beyond ARR. the other changes I mentioned were done more recently. The overall player skill level has diminished and you’re defending mediocrity while initially trying to suggest by “the game you walked into” as if the bar was always set so low. Time for you to be real.

[Raven2014]

I'm not one to sugar coat things. I will say what's on mind and if it hurts feelings so be it. These things have to be said and there quite a few people who feel this way just won't say it out right. Only way for people to get better is to go out and play the the game how it's supposed to be played not stand around and gawk. If you got time to do that got time to get better.

You're not sugarcoating anything though ... you're just being obnoxious lol. The content itself already act as a natural barrier. Like I said, if people want the reward of the higher tier content, they will up their skill because they have to, otherwise the reward is denied to them. But assuming they have no interest in those reward, or playing at a higher level isn't fun for them, then why should they? Why are you so offended at how other playing their game?


I guess people like you are everywhere. I have several people irl kept telling me I should go and get Ph.D, and I keep telling them I don't need it. I can also pick up a second job, which will give me more income ... but I don't, because I don't need it, even if it means extra money. Is that also wrong for me not "trying to be better" because those thing "exceed" what will make me happy? After all, people play their game to make them happy, not making you happy.

[VelKallor]

After all, people play their game to make them happy, not making you happy.

Sssshhh...dont use common sense..you'll just confuse him

[Striker44]

It wasn’t always catered to these poor skilled players. You could be knocked out of the fight for the duration of titan. You had to know what the names of skills were as the coin collector had no telegraphs. Proper rotations to both maximize dps and conserve tp.

The game only changed to become accessible due to the low skill floor of the new generation of players.

“Walk into a game”. I’ll tell you, this is not the same game I walked into. It panders to the super casual Limsa afkers just in case they decide to do something

It's always been directed to the casual playerbase. What's changed is society and what it means to be "casual." Back in the day, WoW was considered the most casual-friendly MMO even when it had Elite quests requiring full groups, no dungeon finder/auto-grouping, etc. because it didn't have things that the more "hardcore" MMO's had like losing xp if you died. The main target demographic at the time for MMO's was also teenagers, college kids, and people just out of college. They had time.

Fast forward to more recent times, and the main demographic playing MMO's is now adults with families and full-time careers. Players don't have the time they had previously to learn deep nuances in classes; they want to be able to pick up a game, log in, and be productive/feel like they've accomplished something.

And some of what you're whining about is just updating things. It makes little sense that dying in certain ways on random older fights would prevent you from being rezzed while dying in other ways on almost every other fight doesn't have that limitation. Same with Coincounter - he used to be much further along in the dungeon progression. Now, he's a very early dungeon boss; it makes no sense for one random early dungeon boss to not have telegraphs while later ones all have consistent telegraphs.

this is NOT the game for them.

Actually, it is EXACTLY the game for them (casual gamers). It is NOT the game for someone like you (toxic hardcore elitist). Hardcore elitism is the true toxin that poisons and kills games, especially today. Look at Wildstar - it was designed for more hardcore gamers. It died. Rather quickly. Because that's simply not what the gaming market is about today.

[Shinkuno]

Sssshhh...dont use common sense..you'll just confuse him

then maybe dont play a multiplayer game? especially not one that has a ToS Clause that says if the majority of your group doesnt like what you do, you can get the boot

[Melorie]

I honestly don't consider the people that afk on limsa everyday and feel entitled to every single reward with barebones participation are casuals. Casual players are people that don't give a lot of hours to the game and that don't engage in a lot of endgame activities like savage or ultimate, not players that stay subbed and online everyday but have zero interest in any gameplay or learning curve. That is an entirely different crowd. Like these people breath FFXIV, barely play other games, even raiders that log in two days a week are more casual than them.

That being said, I feel like someone being bad in a group making your life miserable is sort of dramatic.

IMO while we have more and more people that are simply lazy to commit any time at all to something, the game gives you zero reason to actually feel like you have to learn your class.

First of all, most classes feels barebones if you are not at the level cap and there is few or next to nothing repeatable daily content where you are actually at level 90.

Most content normal content can be cleared without asking for your full kit.

Without third party tools you actually have NOTHING to tell you if you are doing it right or wrong, if you are being able to do a good amount of damage or not, so many people do not even realize they are terrible.

And lastly, getting better at your class is not an exciting journey in this game. You rarely feel like you are making a difference by being good, there is only so much you can do, and once you are "good" there is... nowhere to go, really. You can't put your twist, you can't customize, you can't find your way of doing something. So most people lose interest.

In general, the game rarely strikes your curiosity... You can keep on being mediocre and unless you are curious and go for that information, nothing you make you sparkle "hey, how should I be doing x?".
So yeah, I don't really blame people for not even trying to be better at the game because being better makes no difference. It makes no difference to your gameplay, to the fight you are doing, to the way you use your class.