Why do people avoid getting better at the game?

[Payadopa]

I thought I was going to die the whole time. I was genuinely surprised I made it. Lots of fun TBH. It's one of the few moments in FFXIV where I actually felt fear.

Yeah, that was me. I couldn't find stuff in time and scrambled only to make it with like almost no time left. It's nice when you don't have that disconnect between story and gameplay. If it's supposed to be dangerous and you just breeze through all I feel is disappointment. lol XIV is very guilty of that.

[EgilTheStressedMage]

Because they see endgame raiders wipe runs in “braindead” content when sprouts have saved runs near instantly.

[Ransu]

what's the problem with a lot of people not being good ?

I don't think its a problem until they venture into extremes/savage content. The game has gotten easier over the years (which is perfectly fine during the leveling experience) but because its gotten easier there is less reason for people to learn their kits and then you get people jumping into harder content with a mentality of not really caring about playing correctly.

I don't mind the current dungeon designs being as straight forward as they are.... but I would like them to be a bit harder. Being able to clear them in your sleep while potentially carrying 1 player who spams ice as a BLM is a little silly imo. Double pulling should be a bit more dangerous and boss fights in the dungeons should be a bit more nuanced. Not saying that dying should be an immediate wipe or anything, but I do think dungeons should focus a bit more on making people play correctly and should have more mechanics to them. And for the super casuals they can just go in with trusts that have a story mode with tuned down damage/mechanics.

It would definitely be nice if the capstone dungeons were less braindead. I'm hoping that the criterion dungeons are something they are testing for 7.0 to be like that middle ground and we'll get something like current expert roulette to be the new capstone roulette and expert roulettes will be the criterion dungeons that are a bit more challenging and will also provide early tier gear along with tomes.

[Imora]

Then people would never bother playing games.
You're going to suck for a while before you learn enough to get good. If players are not allowed to ever be bad, they'd have to quit before they got the experience they need to get good.

So I'll flip the reverse at you - it would be a lot easier if people who have bloated expectations regarding other players' skill would stop playing games intended as much for novice players as for veteran players.

Thats the thing. These people never get good, nor try to, and giving advice is asking to get told off or worse.

I don't play shooters or rts games. Know why? I suck at them.

[Tigore]

@Imora I think it would sound like better context to say you hate those genres of gaming rather than simply sucking at it. Usually if one likes a game enough, they will try harder to learn how to master it better. Said person will need time to learn how.

[Raven2014]

I don't play shooters or rts games. Know why? I suck at them.

Different stroke for different folk I guess. I play a lot of game I'm not good at.

Like ... I've been playing Cities:Skyline for like ... 10 years now? Yet everytime I watch a youtube video I still feel like a complete no0b. Building a functional but also pleasing looking city is still something I'm clueless to do, the struggle of doing it is still fun though

I'm used to be really good at FPS though, was member of those "clan" thing that was in the rage back in the day. But stop playing them because I don't find the gerne fun any more.

[Vahlnir]

Thats the thing. These people never get good, nor try to, and giving advice is asking to get told off or worse.

I don't play shooters or rts games. Know why? I suck at them.

I'm not good at fighting games or ones that require pulling off insane combos mid combat, but I still play DMC. I used to play Soul Calibur too, though I wasn't much good at that either. DMC evolved over time though, and I was very thankful to have an "easy mode" that performs all of these combos for me at random so I could focus on dodging more. Before that, it was a bit of a struggle, but I managed. Either way, plenty of people play games they aren't necessarily good at, but despite the struggles enjoy them all the same for one reason or another.

[Ivtrix]

This thread is a dumpster fire

[Imora]

Most of those games don't involve detracting from others' experiences by being terrible.

I don't want a crapper in my pf. My friend is collecting wow players for his FF static for next tier because he couldn't find one that wasn't full of enablers of bad play. At least in that game people aren't afraid to remove you if you can't fix your stuff while in a group.

I don't do roulettes solo anymore because I'm tired of three or two manning boss fights because people die to simple mechanics and no, I don't get the new player message.

If you can't take your hobby seriously enough to not be a detriment to the others in your group, get out.

[Jojoya]

Most of those games don't involve detracting from others' experiences by being terrible.

I don't want a crapper in my pf. My friend is collecting wow players for his FF static for next tier because he couldn't find one that wasn't full of enablers of bad play. At least in that game people aren't afraid to remove you if you can't fix your stuff while in a group.

I don't do roulettes solo anymore because I'm tired of three or two manning boss fights because people die to simple mechanics and no, I don't get the new player message.

If you can't take your hobby seriously enough to not be a detriment to the others in your group, get out.

It's a game. Contrary to your expectations, most of us don't take it that seriously.

Someone who is not performing well may simply be new to the content and needs the chance to learn. That can't happen if no one will give them the opportunity.

They may have a disability that prevents them from seeing clearly or reacting rapidly. I'm not going to crap on someone because they don't live up to some random standard.

At least you're removing yourself from the general player pool to stick to your friends group. Now we don't have to worry about dealing with your bad attitude. Thank you for your contribution to improving our community.