Why do people avoid getting better at the game?

[TaleraRistain]

This is probably going to sound mean but honestly, crazy idea here but people could also just learn not every single thing is an attack against them or something to be embarrassed about. When you start participating in a group activity where your participation affects 3-23 other players, you very much get put in a spot where if you're not doing something correctly or something that's leading to wiping the party, you need to be told because this is a team game.

Something like offering optimization advice in casual content? Sure, it should probably be something you ask before offering. But something like asking a tank to try to rotate their mit instead of using it all at once or not using it at all, or asking a white mage to cast holy on packs instead of sitting there spamming cure 1? That very much needs a polite, "hey, can you do this instead?" And you know what? That's fine, everyone starts somewhere, someone offering suggestions on improvement isn't the end of the world, it's not an attack, there's no reason it needs to be done in private or perceived as being "put down". It's one of the ways we improve as players. I'd LOVE if more people offered me advice, I freaking suck half the time I play this game lol.

You go into a team game, you should be prepared to be offered advice.

Emphasis though that politeness is the key.

Except on a team there's usually a captain who is in the position to give direction to others. There is no captain in a randomly matched party and unless the discourse is open with the other person then it's just one random person trying to tell another random person what to do. That's why you set the environment first.

I give advice all the time. I just ask first. Sometimes people just want to get through something and don't want to worry about having full discourse in a dungeon. Or they're just having an off day. Or something might have them distracted.

[Zebraoracle]

Except on a team there's usually a captain who is in the position to give direction to others. There is no captain in a randomly matched party and unless the discourse is open with the other person then it's just one random person trying to tell another random person what to do. That's why you set the environment first.

I give advice all the time. I just ask first. Sometimes people just want to get through something and don't want to worry about having full discourse in a dungeon. Or they're just having an off day. Or something might have them distracted.

Guess what, the other 3-7 people also want to get through something too.

If the person has the awareness to know they're having an off day, or something's distracting them, then they should know the situation they're creating is inviting someone to offer helpful advice. If they get mad over this, or feel attacked, that's on them, not the person offering it. I don't understand this mentality of "we need to make sure we don't offend or embarrass anyone" - offering advice *shouldn't be seen as offensive or causing embarrassment*, especially as if a mistake happens that, for example, causes a wipe, everyone can already easily see who was at fault. What's more embarrassing then, continually causing this issue, or being told "hey, if you do this instead, we'll get through this "?

[Jokerz_93]

what's the problem with a lot of people not being good ?

The same problem with a lot of people being too elitist. Ruin the experience of the game.

[sagacious]

The same problem with a lot of people being too elitist. Ruin the experience of the game.

Exactly, I joined a roulette party in progress where the healer had been kicked and I didn't have time to use esauna and a dps died. He got all upset and ask why didn't I use esauna on him and I told him to leave me alone I know what I'm doing. From then on the roulette was quick and fast as I used all my abilities in perfect fashion and got two commendation guess who didn't give me one .....yes (jack azz didn't)

[Velvet_Lunarfang]

No it's not. That is misinformation spread by people who don't read the ToS (or taking it way out of context).

We should be able to roast people who are bad at the game. Maybe if they weren't standing around a city for hours on end or RP some BS and actually put some practice in they get better. Instead they rather be incompetent and not put any work in and be carried. People need that harsh criticism in life builds character

[Velvet_Lunarfang]

The same problem with a lot of people being too elitist. Ruin the experience of the game.

Well here is like Haseo told Atoli in .hack GU I don't have time to look at the pretty things in a game I am here to get better and stronger. People who afk in Limsa or any other city just to sit there and BS all day should go play another game catered to them. I don't have time to carry a incompetent player who can't carry their weight in a fight to wipe everyone and not only waste my time but other's players time because you refuse to get better. If you have time to gossip and talk in a city you got time to get better. If I notice you mess up mechanics not once twice but multiple of times and been told how it happens and still refuse then you don't deserve to play. This isn't the game for you. Find something better that is suited for your skill level.

[Tigore]

I am kind of puzzled what difficulty should be the Benchmark. So... Our level 90 trial bosses so to speak as an example for other bosses? Do we want wall to wall pulls to be tested with silences, pacifiers or vuln stacks? Or do we believe wall to wall pulls to be fine as is? Do we want tanks and physical ranged DPS to be able to interrupt more casted spike damage?

The rewards I find for Dungeons to be a bit sketchy now. We may still cap our green tomestones, but they aren't always the most important one anymore. We could get 610 crafted gear and use the red tomes to upgrade them to 620. Even the new relic just asks for red tomes. When some players use Hunt Trains for red tomes, even the Expert roulette may lose its luster to them. Euphrosyne currently still has a drive for it since I was told its 620 gear can be upgraded.

[kaynide]

Well here is like Haseo told Atoli in .hack GU I don't have time to look at the pretty things in a game I am here to get better and stronger. People who afk in Limsa or any other city just to sit there and BS all day should go play another game catered to them. I don't have time to carry a incompetent player who can't carry their weight in a fight to wipe everyone and not only waste my time but other's players time because you refuse to get better. If you have time to gossip and talk in a city you got time to get better. If I notice you mess up mechanics not once twice but multiple of times and been told how it happens and still refuse then you don't deserve to play. This isn't the game for you. Find something better that is suited for your skill level.

This is literally that game for them. To BS around and play casually. And screw up mechanics if need be. That’s why the ToS is as protective of newbies as it is. SE likes the casual crowd and the money they bring in.

You have other games you can go hardcore in and play to a high degree of skill. Diablo 4 has free beta weekend now. Path of Exile is also quite rewarding to high skill play, and has a built in ladder so you can waggle your epeen around, if it’s so important to be so good.

Play them on hardcore mode to your hearts content, where 1 mistake deletes your character entirely. It’s fun, if not stressful.

There is literally no point to being very very good or having BiS in this game outside of personal accomplishment because once you have it, there is no super secret ultra hard content requiring such gear.

[Raven2014]

Well here is like Haseo told Atoli in .hack GU I don't have time to look at the pretty things in a game I am here to get better and stronger. People who afk in Limsa or any other city just to sit there and BS all day should go play another game catered to them. I don't have time to carry a incompetent player who can't carry their weight in a fight to wipe everyone and not only waste my time but other's players time because you refuse to get better. If you have time to gossip and talk in a city you got time to get better. If I notice you mess up mechanics not once twice but multiple of times and been told how it happens and still refuse then you don't deserve to play.

So much bitter and salt lol.

You literally walk into a game where a good amount of content specifically cater to those players ... (I mean ... isn't that exactly the whole reason you are complaining!?) and then ... boldly declare this isn't the game for them!

Who are you, looking at your avatar I don't think you're Yoshi-P.

This isn't the game for you. Find something better that is suited for your skill level.

And they can say the same thing to you, and when it comes down to number, I don't think the math will favor you pal.

[Kyrj]

Wall2Wall is standard cause there is no difficulty, and instead of upping the difficulty they just made "wall2wall" the core of dungeons. YOu dont design a game around min maxed stuff. Might as well remove dungeons and just clicking them on the duty finder instantly grants you the rewards if they wanna design the game around "wanna get it done in 15minutes so im back to afking in limsa" crowd

If it wasn't for wall2wall we would pull the whole dungeon and all the bosses probably. Maybe then a modern FF14 dungeon would trigger the happy chemicals in my brain for once.