Why do people avoid getting better at the game?

[Valkyrie_Lenneth]

That's the mentality as to why this game is in the hole. Everyone thinks "Nerf" to me it sounds like they need to buff the difficulty of things so people have fun. If they didn't nerf things to the ground this wouldn't be possible.

I agree with you though, mostly. I just hate nerfs as a solution.

I also hate nerfs, but in this case, to warrant a healer, stuff would have to hit so much harder that a tank couldn't keep itself alive with its own heals. Which kind of defeats the purpose of them having heals in the first place. So just remove/nerf the heals helps solve a lot of that problem. It doesn't fix healing, which needs other things. Esuna should matter again. We used to have targeted damage going out to randoms on top of raidwides and tank busters. Tank busters used to be a lot harder to cheese.



We really just need a rework when it comes to encounter design, more so than job design, in some cases. But there's still other issues.

[Toutatis]

You're not going to see it because no is ever really asked that. I've seen one person ask for critique after a dungeon actually. It was a tank in expert roulette that used 0 mitigations, and everyone except me told them they were great(and I didn't say anything because it wasn't worth the fight).

Almost every time I've seen someone give accurate advice in this game, I've seen it either casually dismissed, or aggressively dismissed.

Maybe because the advice is given aggressively? Because that ‘s not my experience. When I give advice, I do it nicely in an encouraging manner and I explain why. I usually get thanks and/or comms.

As for people not wanting to learn, no one likes being bad. Some people are naturally bad no matter how much effort they put into it (I know one such player with absolutely zero raid awareness and somewhat slow reflexes. She does put a lot of efforts trying to learn though). This game has more than just raiding and she likes that.

Some others can’t invest the time. When someone has 2-3 hours per week to play a game, they’re not going to spend the evening bashing a dummy, they want to progress the story and learn as they go. They’ll die along the way not knowing the mechanics and the markers in advance, most will end up with a decent rotation which may not be perfectly fine tuned and that’s ok.

Zepla quit the game because the Ultimates she did wore her out causing burnout. People complained mechanics were to easy, so ffxiv made them harder and this is the result. I mean why do I need to have muscle memory to complete these savages and Ulitimates? The elitist will burnout reducing there numbers reducing the elitist attitudes and toxicity.

Did the equivalent of savage raiding for years in another game and got burned out by the 2/3 times a week static group progs after work. I gave it a try in this game after a year break and the same feelings of disgust and fatigue I experienced when I got burned out came back after two weeks. I wanted to be anywhere but stuck doing the same content over and over again and feeling forced to log at specific times. I am having a lot more fun not doing that type of content any longer. I’ll join occasionally for that type of content when friends invite me for an evening but nothing else.

[Ath192]

I also hate nerfs, but in this case, to warrant a healer, stuff would have to hit so much harder that a tank couldn't keep itself alive with its own heals. Which kind of defeats the purpose of them having heals in the first place. So just remove/nerf the heals helps solve a lot of that problem. It doesn't fix healing, which needs other things. Esuna should matter again. We used to have targeted damage going out to randoms on top of raidwides and tank busters. Tank busters used to be a lot harder to cheese.

We really just need a rework when it comes to encounter design, more so than job design, in some cases. But there's still other issues.

If they are going to take heals out they would have to add other damage buttons or some other complexity because otherwise you are stuck with 1,2,3. I still see a purpose as heals are supposed to prolong or delay how often a heal is necessary but encounters themselves should be the one to get damage buffs and not the player characters that should get nerfs.

I do support things hitting so much harder. That's our one difference.

In terms of encounter design yeah things should be much more random than scripted and healers especially need reasons to use more of their kit. Sleep should matter as well. MP management needs to be a bit tougher. Dungeons need more patterns to them not just long hallways.

The thing is dungeons shouldnt be a roulette chore. They are constrained in design by this. Since people have to grind them for their daily crap they can't be anything else then braindead or they get shunned. The duty roulette and its daily use to grind stuff out is what's killing any creativity in this game.

They say this game avoids grinds but it's a lie. The entire game turned into a giant grind because part of the game can't be grindy if ALL of it is grindy xD.

Does anyone not see that all they do is grind the same roulette every day? how is this different than other MMO's if the design of each roulette is more or less the same. It's the biggest lie I swear.

[NekoMataMata]

Maybe because the advice is given aggressively? Because that ‘s not my experience. When I give advice, I do it nicely in an encouraging manner and I explain why. I usually get thanks and/or comms.

As for people not wanting to learn, no one likes being bad. Some people are naturally bad no matter how much effort they put into it (I know one such player with absolutely zero raid awareness and somewhat slow reflexes. She does put a lot of efforts trying to learn though). This game has more than just raiding and she likes that.

Some others can’t invest the time. When someone has 2-3 hours per week to play a game, they’re not going to spend the evening bashing a dummy, they want to progress the story and learn as they go. They’ll die along the way not knowing the mechanics and the markers in advance, most will end up with a decent rotation which may not be perfectly fine tuned and that’s ok.

Whenever I see people giving advice it's usually given incredibly passively, almost as if it's just a tiny, tiny suggestion. They do it in a manner that suggests that they are scared. They know they're doing it at their own risk and they don't want to face any backlash from trying to help someone improve. No one wants to walk on eggshells just to deliver a solid explanation on what the other player is doing wrong and how to improve, only to potentially get reported, or get told rudely that by the other player that they don't care.

I have never seen anyone give aggressive advice, mostly because most people that get aggressive just don't bother. They just insult, they're not constructive.

[Nestama]

Maybe because the advice is given aggressively? Because that ‘s not my experience. When I give advice, I do it nicely in an encouraging manner and I explain why. I usually get thanks and/or comms.

Depending on the person, it doesn't matter how you give advice. There are some people who just will not listen and/or get hostile towards you for daring to give them "unsolicited" advice. You could be giving it in the nicest, most encouraging way possible, yet they'll still read it as condescending/patronising/insulting.

[Toutatis]

Depending on the person, it doesn't matter how you give advice. There are some people who just will not listen and/or get hostile towards you for daring to give them "unsolicited" advice. You could be giving it in the nicest, most encouraging way possible, yet they'll still read it as condescending/patronising/insulting.

Not listen is one thing but I never saw any hostility towards someone giving advice in a positive and constructive manner.

[NekoMataMata]

Not listen is one thing but I never saw any hostility towards someone giving advice in a positive and constructive manner.

"I didn't see it, and therefore it could not possibly exist." Continue, please.

[Toutatis]

"I didn't see it, and therefore it could not possibly exist." Continue, please.

You really can’t read, can’t you? Where did I say it doesn’t exist? If that’s how you talk to people, it’s no wonder you get bad responses.

[Equitable_Remedy]

XIV offers such a casual experience that the player base has never had a reason to actually get better at game mechanics outside of those who wish to participate in Extreme/Savage/Ultimate content.

I, too, hate when a game provides a range of content difficulties and allows players to do the content that matches their preferences.

This is a serious problem.

[DixieBellOCE]

Whenever I see people giving advice it's usually given incredibly passively, almost as if it's just a tiny, tiny suggestion. They do it in a manner that suggests that they are scared. They know they're doing it at their own risk and they don't want to face any backlash from trying to help someone improve. No one wants to walk on eggshells just to deliver a solid explanation on what the other player is doing wrong and how to improve, only to potentially get reported, or get told rudely that by the other player that they don't care.

I have never seen anyone give aggressive advice, mostly because most people that get aggressive just don't bother. They just insult, they're not constructive.

The amount of times i have given advice in the politest manner possible it just gets dismissed because the people receiving the advice don't actually care.

'Could you please stack together behind the boss so xxxx mechanic always faces one direction'
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One player will always go out of their way to mess it up out of spite because you offered advice, that is the casual toxic mentality when asked to do something correctly.