Why do people avoid getting better at the game?

[kaynide]

Well here is like Haseo told Atoli in .hack GU I don't have time to look at the pretty things in a game I am here to get better and stronger. People who afk in Limsa or any other city just to sit there and BS all day should go play another game catered to them. I don't have time to carry a incompetent player who can't carry their weight in a fight to wipe everyone and not only waste my time but other's players time because you refuse to get better. If you have time to gossip and talk in a city you got time to get better. If I notice you mess up mechanics not once twice but multiple of times and been told how it happens and still refuse then you don't deserve to play. This isn't the game for you. Find something better that is suited for your skill level.

This is literally that game for them. To BS around and play casually. And screw up mechanics if need be. That’s why the ToS is as protective of newbies as it is. SE likes the casual crowd and the money they bring in.

You have other games you can go hardcore in and play to a high degree of skill. Diablo 4 has free beta weekend now. Path of Exile is also quite rewarding to high skill play, and has a built in ladder so you can waggle your epeen around, if it’s so important to be so good.

Play them on hardcore mode to your hearts content, where 1 mistake deletes your character entirely. It’s fun, if not stressful.

There is literally no point to being very very good or having BiS in this game outside of personal accomplishment because once you have it, there is no super secret ultra hard content requiring such gear.

[Velvet_Lunarfang]

This is literally that game for them. To BS around and play casually. And screw up mechanics if need be. That’s why the ToS is as protective of newbies as it is. SE likes the casual crowd and the money they bring in.

You have other games you can go hardcore in and play to a high degree of skill. Diablo 4 has free beta weekend now. Path of Exile is also quite rewarding to high skill play, and has a built in ladder so you can waggle your epeen around, if it’s so important to be so good.

Play them on hardcore mode to your hearts content, where 1 mistake deletes your character entirely. It’s fun, if not stressful.

There is literally no point to being very very good or having BiS in this game outside of personal accomplishment because once you have it, there is no super secret ultra hard content requiring such gear.

this is NOT the game for them. If you are holding other's down because you refuse to get better then that is the problem. Casulization is a cancer that needs to be cut out. You can't make a great game by catering to some people who refuse to actually improve. Tired of hearing excuses for people NOT wanting to get better. If you mess up I WILL call you out on it. Your mistake will cause everyone else to suffer because of someone lack of knowledge in game or lack of skill. You want to play a MMO then learn to play it. You want to hang out to chat all day then find a online chatroom and chat. Casual playstyle has always ruined someone and F them for ruining it. Time for people to get thick skinned and grow a backbone if they can't handle some critique. If you are at work and act that way and can't pull your weight you will get called out same here. Stop holding other's down and think that other people actually want to progress and be good not hold your hand.

[Vahlnir]

this is NOT the game for them. If you are holding other's down because you refuse to get better then that is the problem. Casulization is a cancer that needs to be cut out. You can't make a great game by catering to some people who refuse to actually improve. Tired of hearing excuses for people NOT wanting to get better. If you mess up I WILL call you out on it. Your mistake will cause everyone else to suffer because of someone lack of knowledge in game or lack of skill. You want to play a MMO then learn to play it. You want to hang out to chat all day then find a online chatroom and chat. Casual playstyle has always ruined someone and F them for ruining it. Time for people to get thick skinned and grow a backbone if they can't handle some critique. If you are at work and act that way and can't pull your weight you will get called out same here. Stop holding other's down and think that other people actually want to progress and be good not hold your hand.

I'm all for personal improvement, but I feel that you are incorrect. This IS the game for them. However, I do think that the game is becoming less and less for people like me, which is another subject entirely. Either way I think that you are making a mountain out of a molehill at this point. This game has never been hardcore or even remotely difficult outside of higher end content, in my opinion. It is a casual MMO by design.

[Tigore]

this is NOT the game for them. If you are holding other's down because you refuse to get better then that is the problem. Casulization is a cancer that needs to be cut out. You can't make a great game by catering to some people who refuse to actually improve. Tired of hearing excuses for people NOT wanting to get better. If you mess up I WILL call you out on it. Your mistake will cause everyone else to suffer because of someone lack of knowledge in game or lack of skill. You want to play a MMO then learn to play it. You want to hang out to chat all day then find a online chatroom and chat. Casual playstyle has always ruined someone and F them for ruining it. Time for people to get thick skinned and grow a backbone if they can't handle some critique. If you are at work and act that way and can't pull your weight you will get called out same here. Stop holding other's down and think that other people actually want to progress and be good not hold your hand.

This is getting too far. I am trying to see what baseline difficulty would be agreed upon and we are back to this arguing. I can agree that combative beginners never listening is quite bad, but to say casual gaming is cancer? Do you really mean that? Especially when the stats are expected to be low for Savage and Ultimate participation?

At some point, the veterans will need to take a break, so new players are needed to keep the flow going. I have taken year breaks a couple times despite starting around Heavensward.

The spells being changed to be easier is also a strange thing for MMOs. We want something new every expansion and we already have full spell bars in comparison. I remember having 3 versions of Aero Dots to keep up as WHM back then. Pretty much replaced with Afflatus Solace / Rapture and Misery now. Whether this is right or not is up in the air for discussion if players should always expect new spell changes every expansion.

As for the Switch being a counter argument for easy ... Didn't we just get Metroid Prime Remaster released there for a decent challenge that had a lot of physical copies sold out?

[kaynide]

this is NOT the game for them.... Casulization is a cancer that needs to be cut out. You can't make a great game by catering to some people who refuse to actually improve....

Have fun figuring out how to keep a massive MMORPG designed for casual players afloat without the casual player revenue.

Again, those other games exist. Can't understand why people complain about X game not being Y-enough when Y-Game literally exists and is available to play.

Remember, hardcore content exists because there is demand for it, but it's more of a bone-thrown situation than the main "deal". Yoshi-P even ranted about "What's the point of even having hardcore content if people just cheat it", so it's not like he's married to the idea of even having hard content at all.

[Raven2014]

Well here is like Haseo told Atoli in .hack GU I don't have time to look at the pretty things in a game I am here to get better and stronger. People who afk in Limsa or any other city just to sit there and BS all day should go play another game catered to them. I don't have time to carry a incompetent player who can't carry their weight in a fight to wipe everyone and not only waste my time but other's players time because you refuse to get better. If you have time to gossip and talk in a city you got time to get better. If I notice you mess up mechanics not once twice but multiple of times and been told how it happens and still refuse then you don't deserve to play.

So much bitter and salt lol.

You literally walk into a game where a good amount of content specifically cater to those players ... (I mean ... isn't that exactly the whole reason you are complaining!?) and then ... boldly declare this isn't the game for them!

Who are you, looking at your avatar I don't think you're Yoshi-P.

This isn't the game for you. Find something better that is suited for your skill level.

And they can say the same thing to you, and when it comes down to number, I don't think the math will favor you pal.

[Velvet_Lunarfang]

So much bitter and salt lol.

You literally walk into a game where a good amount of content specifically cater to those players ... (I mean ... isn't that exactly the whole reason you are complaining!?) and then ... boldly declare this isn't the game for them!

Who are you, looking at your avatar I don't think you're Yoshi-P.



And they can say the same thing to you, and when it comes down to number, I don't think the math will favor you pal.

I think the math does favor me. You just upset I call casuals filthy casuals that pander for help. Then when they fail miserably then get laughed at they deserve it. People who play casual don't deserve to be praised. You get better or you get dropped off like filth that's it. Casual gamers are a cancer to skilled people. You want us to help you every step of the way so you can go RP or other nonsense. I went and practiced ever single day to know my job and perfect it instead of wasting time. If casuals just want to stand around all day and do nothing get a Nintendo Switch and go play animal crossing that is your skill level. As for me I will keep perfecting my skill use for all my jobs so I can be the best at all content

[Raven2014]

I think the math does favor me.

Well, if it's truly does than you wouldn't have any issue. After all, that's the only kind of math that matter to the dev. The fact you're have to sprinkle salt around kinda show the opposite.

You just upset I call casuals filthy casuals that pander for help.

Joke on you, in my hayday I was part of some of the hardcore guilds that made "don't touch me you filthy casual" their motto and fully embrace it. Even these days. I'm still pretty much not associating with "casual", like the casual over there and I'm over here, keep a respective distant When I do Ex or Savage, I carry no one. You don't pull your weight, either you get the kick or I leave. If the casual want to get into "my party", they better bring the skill or they ain't getting in.

The difference between you and me however, is that I acknowledge the boundary and different brackets. Like I said above, if a player (casual or not) want to get into the bracket that I'm in, I expect them to be up to my level. But when I cross over into their territory, I will also respect the content created for them and try to have fun with it. Unlike you, I don't make every content bracket about me.

[hagare]

Well here is like Haseo told Atoli in .hack GU I don't have time to look at the pretty things in a game I am here to get better and stronger. People who afk in Limsa or any other city just to sit there and BS all day should go play another game catered to them. I don't have time to carry a incompetent player who can't carry their weight in a fight to wipe everyone and not only waste my time but other's players time because you refuse to get better. If you have time to gossip and talk in a city you got time to get better. If I notice you mess up mechanics not once twice but multiple of times and been told how it happens and still refuse then you don't deserve to play. This isn't the game for you. Find something better that is suited for your skill level.

you mean when he was still a dick. and then grew up and become less of a dick.
Something tells me someone didn't finish GU

[Velvet_Lunarfang]

you mean when he was still a dick. and then grew up and become less of a dick.
Something tells me someone didn't finish GU

Haseo was better off and more stronger until Atoli corrupted him. Terror of Death for a reason