Dueling Advice (Monk v Dragoon/other jobs... mostly Dragoon)

[Nadda]

Buddy MNK is one of the best 1v1 jobs and DRG realistically has no way to beat it if played properly, not perfectly. It's literally do the correct sequence = ez win job. You are 100% doing something wrong. lol

Well Buddy

An odd thing to say considering this is a thread about asking for ADVICE!
i.e. Opinion about what could or should be done about a situation or problem; counsel.
i.e. recommendation regarding a decision or course of conduct: COUNSEL

i.e. seriously what in the seven hells are you playing at!?
The context of this is to give advice and in your opening declarative statement you "offered" advice you opened with how you don't duel AT ALL!

I don't duel at all...

Your words. So how would you then return with a "Monk is one of the best 1v1 jobs and DRG realistically has no way to beat it if played properly" AS if you were at all an authority on the matter when you clearly are NOT!

Are you trying to one-up me in the field of ignorance or something? I already know I don't know exactly what I'm doing that's why I'm asking for help! DUH!

I appreciate and am receptive to the advice and feedback from people who were actually kind enough to deliver it. I've taken into a stock that I'm doing something wrong and would like to know how to improve so why you choose to approach the conversation as a means to lord over me baffles me.

At any rate, I don't require or desire your help. I'll gladly accept it from anybody else, anybody would be an improvement from you. So take satisfaction in whatever knowledge you may lord over me for now. I could care less if you're a thousand thousand times better than me - no matter your superiority in the topic may or may not be you have failed at being a good teacher.

[Llynethil]

Save cc and burst for when dragoon buffs himself, forgor the name of it but it's what they get when using geirskogel, but it buffs dragoon damage BUT it also increases their damage taken, so that's when you want to prevent him from using abilities and hit him hard, if it doesn't kill him it'll at least force him to recup spam.

Also if you have LB up, monk LB removes guard if he tries to use guard to buy time.

[Kathleen_]

Well Buddy

An odd thing to say considering this is a thread about asking for ADVICE!
i.e. Opinion about what could or should be done about a situation or problem; counsel.
i.e. recommendation regarding a decision or course of conduct: COUNSEL

i.e. seriously what in the seven hells are you playing at!?
The context of this is to give advice and in your opening declarative statement you "offered" advice you opened with how you don't duel AT ALL!


Your words. So how would you then return with a "Monk is one of the best 1v1 jobs and DRG realistically has no way to beat it if played properly" AS if you were at all an authority on the matter when you clearly are NOT!

Are you trying to one-up me in the field of ignorance or something? I already know I don't know exactly what I'm doing that's why I'm asking for help! DUH!

I appreciate and am receptive to the advice and feedback from people who were actually kind enough to deliver it. I've taken into a stock that I'm doing something wrong and would like to know how to improve so why you choose to approach the conversation as a means to lord over me baffles me.

At any rate, I don't require or desire your help. I'll gladly accept it from anybody else, anybody would be an improvement from you. So take satisfaction in whatever knowledge you may lord over me for now. I could care less if you're a thousand thousand times better than me - no matter your superiority in the topic may or may not be you have failed at being a good teacher.

I really don't understand what your issue with me is considering that I've told you all the instant MNK kill combos (that don't change between duels, CC, FL, RWs, you name it), told you how to execute a proper MNK LB, told you how to guard against DRG burst. And you get all pissy with me despite giving you very solid advice not a lot of people know of (SSS's positioning in the combo)? Lmao get real.
Here's another unwarranted piece of advice I am 100% sure you're doing wrong: proccing PP from Enlightenment is essential, but due to the game's netcode you have to try and time your gapclose so instead of pressing it immediately, react to the knockback and gapclose when the animation finishes.
But what do I know, I don't duel so I clearly don't know how the jobs work. lol

[Divinemights]

Well Buddy
At any rate, I don't require or desire your help. I'll gladly accept it from anybody else, anybody would be an improvement from you. So take satisfaction in whatever knowledge you may lord over me for now. I could care less if you're a thousand thousand times better than me - no matter your superiority in the topic may or may not be you have failed at being a good teacher.

If you are really here to seek help, post the video of your dueling so we can see what is going on.
You also need to stop showing like you are triggered when you are looking for advise.
The people that can advise you on MNK vs DRG are the people can dominate DRG in 1v1, and of course they find it strange you are thinking DRG > MNK.
Right now there is Geforce Expereince or Xbox game bar so it is not difficult to make a video of your game play

[Elfidan]

It really just comes down to player skill. DRG basically ride from burst phase to burst phase doing poke damage(no pun intended). MNK on the other hand has a ramping burst design where you are trying to build to your final combo to pull off an enlightened limit break followed by said combo. You should avoid using any burst if you are under horrid roar obviously, but don't forget riddle of earth is strong as hell for countering enemy burst. It pretty much will just come down to using stun riddle and gap closers to counter the range DRG can keep.

I suggest using OBS or Shadowplay to capture your gameplay and review what you did wrong. I did this a lot in season one of CC and it really helped me improve on playstyle.

[Nadda]

Save cc and burst for when dragoon buffs himself, forgor the name of it but it's what they get when using geirskogel, but it buffs dragoon damage BUT it also increases their damage taken, so that's when you want to prevent him from using abilities and hit him hard, if it doesn't kill him it'll at least force him to recup spam.

Also if you have LB up, monk LB removes guard if he tries to use guard to buy time.

I didn't know it removes guard. I have beaten my friend a few times when I line things up properly. I think a better understanding of what Dragoon can do will help me in the long run. Lot of the buffs you mention I didn't even notice. So I'll keep an eye out. My friend is very skilled at PvP I'm thinking maybe I'm too much of an easy read. I also don't seem to stun nearly enough as I should.

If you are really here to seek help, post the video of your dueling so we can see what is going on.
You also need to stop showing like you are triggered when you are looking for advise.
The people that can advise you on MNK vs DRG are the people can dominate DRG in 1v1, and of course they find it strange you are thinking DRG > MNK.
Right now there is Geforce Expereince or Xbox game bar so it is not difficult to make a video of your game play

That sounds like a good idea. I'll try doing that at some point over the weekend
I apologize for my outburst, If you look at my other responses you'll see that I have been very kind and receptive to others. I'd rather not go off the beaten path and distract from things.

It really just comes down to player skill. DRG basically ride from burst phase to burst phase doing poke damage(no pun intended). MNK on the other hand has a ramping burst design where you are trying to build to your final combo to pull off an enlightened limit break followed by said combo. You should avoid using any burst if you are under horrid roar obviously, but don't forget riddle of earth is strong as hell for countering enemy burst. It pretty much will just come down to using stun riddle and gap closers to counter the range DRG can keep.

I suggest using OBS or Shadowplay to capture your gameplay and review what you did wrong. I did this a lot in season one of CC and it really helped me improve on playstyle.

This is something I employed in our matches was using riddle of earth and earths reply to counter the burst. I'll try setting up a recording if my friend and I can duel each other. Over the weekend, I think this will help contextualize things for everyone so I'll work on that and when I got it ready I'll post it.
He has been a very good sport he is much more talented than I am but I've been loving the challenge. I've only been playing for a week pvp wise and for that matter only been playing Monk for a week lol... Each time I'm getting better but I will put your advice to work.

[Kathleen_]

Lot of the buffs you mention I didn't even notice.

Maybe you should have read my original post throughout instead of reading "I don't duel at all" and dismissing it for no reason?
But you do you, buddy.

[brancinaed]

"Don't let anything prevent you from experimenting with other ways." - Serge Lang

Duels between Monk and Dragoon specifically can get quite fun because there are a few things to be mindful of.

For the Dragoon, Geirskogul's Life of the Dragon Effect: Increases damage dealt and damage suffered by 25% and Horrid Roar's Effect: Reduces damage target deals to you by 50%.
For the monk, Monk Earth's Reply deals physical damage to all nearby enemies and restores your HP. Damage Potency: 2,000 plus 25% of compiled damage.
Cure Potency: 4,000 plus 50% of compiled damage
want to be blocking as much damage with Riddle of Earth during burst, usually during Geirskogul then pressing Earth's Reply while the Dragoon is still under the effect 25% more damage taken. Taking advantage of all these tiny potency gains is vital for consistently winning duels

until you start playing around with line of sight

[Nadda]

"Don't let anything prevent you from experimenting with other ways." - Serge Lang

Duels between Monk and Dragoon specifically can get quite fun because there are a few things to be mindful of.

For the Dragoon, Geirskogul's Life of the Dragon Effect: Increases damage dealt and damage suffered by 25% and Horrid Roar's Effect: Reduces damage target deals to you by 50%.
For the monk, Monk Earth's Reply deals physical damage to all nearby enemies and restores your HP. Damage Potency: 2,000 plus 25% of compiled damage.
Cure Potency: 4,000 plus 50% of compiled damage
want to be blocking as much damage with Riddle of Earth during burst, usually during Geirskogul then pressing Earth's Reply while the Dragoon is still under the effect 25% more damage taken. Taking advantage of all these tiny potency gains is vital for consistently winning duels

until you start playing around with line of sight

Wow! that's a really interesting breakdown of the dynamics between them.
A great quote btw. There is a lot of experimenting and trial and error.

I will try doing a line of sight if it is an effective strategy.