PLEASE update Trusts

[Atelier-Bagur]

Trusts are there for when you really want to experience the dungeon and its story without any disturbances from other players. Theyre not designed to be an efficient way to run this content otherwise it would severely undervalue the need for players if the AI can perform much better than them

[SapphireWeapon]

I am in fact was describing the Shadowbringer/Endwalker's Trust NPCs. Even if they do AoE a wall pull; if you are also AoE'ing together with them, their AoEs will be doing pitiful damage to ensure you will always finish in that 28m-33m duration you've noted yourself.

I don't know enough about Duty Supports on ARR/HW dungeons though, as I could only count on one hand the amount of time I actually used them. I would assume they're using similar formulae.

You can't be talking about SHB Trusts, or your memory is off, because SHB Trusts literally do not perform AOE attacks during trash pulls. Stop trying to tell me they do.

I am actively trying to get an alt to 90 on all jobs. I have spent over a dozen hours in Trusts just in the past week alone because I didn't want to deal with DPS queues. SHB Trust NPCs do not perform AOE attacks. Ever. That's the point of the thread.

Trusts are there for when you really want to experience the dungeon and its story without any disturbances from other players. Theyre not designed to be an efficient way to run this content otherwise it would severely undervalue the need for players if the AI can perform much better than them

Absolutely no one is asking for Trusts to perform as well as players, let alone better than them. I don't know how people are getting that from my original post. I just want them to do AOE attacks so that the original SHB Trusts are functioning at the same level as the newly added ARR/HW Duty Supports. That's it. I'm not asking for anything else.

Leveling a SCH alt through ARR, I have literally watched their damage numbers shrink if I am an active participant, but after a couple moments of afking their dps will flare back up. And this is in addition to their aoes. Like if I am active participant, ohno, they can only do 7 or 9 damage. But if I afk oh now they are doing like 79 damage.

The amount of people in this thread who don't understand that Duty Support and Trusts are not the same thing is absolutely staggering to me.

[Saraide]

You can't be talking about SHB Trusts, or your memory is off, because SHB Trusts literally do not perform AOE attacks during trash pulls. Stop trying to tell me they do.

I am actively trying to get an alt to 90 on all jobs. I have spent over a dozen hours in Trusts just in the past week alone because I didn't want to deal with DPS queues. SHB Trust NPCs do not perform AOE attacks. Ever. That's the point of the thread.



Absolutely no one is asking for Trusts to perform as well as players, let alone better than them. I don't know how people are getting that from my original post. I just want them to do AOE attacks so that the original SHB Trusts are functioning at the same level as the newly added ARR/HW Duty Supports. That's it. I'm not asking for anything else.



The amount of people in this thread who don't understand that Duty Support and Trusts are not the same thing is absolutely staggering to me.

You are still focusing about aoe vs no aoe. That is irrelevant.

[SapphireWeapon]

You are still focusing about aoe vs no aoe. That is irrelevant.

Dude you think that the number of encounters/bosses has no bearing on how long a dungeon is. I can't even with you. Done with your "no you're wrong because I said so" argument.

[Saraide]

Dude you think that the number of encounters/bosses has no bearing on how long a dungeon is. I can't even with you. Done with your "no you're wrong because I said so" argument.

If you have 3 bosses with 15k hp each or one boss with 100k. What is going to take longer?

[Chasingstars]

Leveling a SCH alt through ARR, I have literally watched their damage numbers shrink if I am an active participant, but after a couple moments of afking their dps will flare back up. And this is in addition to their aoes. Like if I am active participant, ohno, they can only do 7 or 9 damage. But if I afk oh now they are doing like 79 damage.

[Imora]

You can't be talking about SHB Trusts, or your memory is off, because SHB Trusts literally do not perform AOE attacks during trash pulls. Stop trying to tell me they do.

I am actively trying to get an alt to 90 on all jobs. I have spent over a dozen hours in Trusts just in the past week alone because I didn't want to deal with DPS queues. SHB Trust NPCs do not perform AOE attacks. Ever. That's the point of the thread.



Absolutely no one is asking for Trusts to perform as well as players, let alone better than them. I don't know how people are getting that from my original post. I just want them to do AOE attacks so that the original SHB Trusts are functioning at the same level as the newly added ARR/HW Duty Supports. That's it. I'm not asking for anything else.



The amount of people in this thread who don't understand that Duty Support and Trusts are not the same thing is absolutely staggering to me.

If you pull enough they do.

I've seen Holy, Bene, Tetra, Superbolide, gravity, and other varying spells with the trusts. If I'm leveling healers I just pull everything and get thancred to grab them.

You know that super spicy pull near the end of Mt Gulg? I've done that multipack pull with a trust.

[Hasrat]

The simplest solution here is to realize Duty Support/Trusts allow you to basically (in some cases, literally) afk through any dungeon. Stop trying so hard, you're really not getting anywhere much faster. Let the NPCs do all the heavy lifting like they're designed to do. Press any random button every few seconds to pretend like you're contributing. Just keep in mind there's no payoff for extra effort.

[Saraide]

You are applying player mechanics to NPCs. Our potencies are set in place, you can look them up in tooltips. I'm always casting holy at the same potency regardless of how much everyone else is doing. This does not apply to NPCs. Their potencies are not set in place and will adjust like other people in this thread have correctly pointed out. The goal of duty support is provide a longer dungeon run than the average duty finder run. This is what NPCs are tuned to. For this approach it is entirely irrelevant how NPC actions look or what they are called. A timelength is determined per dungeon by SE, NPCs are scaled to that time.

You are getting it backwards. The design process isnt 'lets decide on which actions and stats we will give the NPCs and see what happens from there' (they did this with squadrons). It's 'we want this dungeon to take this amount of time and are adjusting dps behind the scenes on the fly to ensure that'.