AT THIS POINT in World of Warcraft

[R041]

Compared to its contemporaries when Vanilla WoW was released, it was a massive step forward in what an MMO could do. Look up some of the really old MMOs to see what they were like. Unfortunately, WoW has never really moved on from that stage, it just has so much inertia that it stays around.

That's crazy talk, WoW is so ahead of every MMO in terms of server/instance and coop tech - I don't know if anyone's catching up anytime soon. XIV especially is still 10 years behind there.

They've made it feel like no matter what you're doing there's always people around, and the systems are extremely casual friendly and open ended.

We can sit here and blame it on it being an old MMO, but it doesn't feel old in Dragonflight.

[Atelier-Bagur]

WoW was able to milk the community for nearly 20 years.....

......No MMO in history will be able to accomplish that feat imo.

XIV's rise started, when? 2019-ish? Nearly 20 years from then, the League of Legends MMO will probably be dominating the landscape......or WoW 2, maybe that Warframe title as-well. XIV has been losing players now; WoW was dominate with BS content for nearly 2 decades.

I have no idea how they did it......

It was released at the right time, at the right space in the gaming genre, whereas previous MMOs were complex, hard and not very casual friendly. Vanilla WoW was the first of its kind to offer a friendlier take on the genre with streamlining a lot of core aspects of MMOs. Also the fact that the game served as an easy and fun way to communicate and socialize with friends and other people compared to previous MMOs made it have such a strong staying power.

[Alleluia]

Well, it is normal to leave something you don't like, isn't it?

And combat is fine. I enjoy the mechanics they hit us with in group content and I don't die in landscape pve unless I get stupid, so I think the game is just fine and that's why I'm still here. /shrug Different strokes.

[Aword3213]

I don't play for the combat, but for those that do? They won't stick around

You don’t? (Looking at post history)

If you think I survived this long playing while the combat/dungeons just gets worse and worse over the years, you're nuts. I basically just play the auction house. lol

You do? (Looking at post history)

[Shinkuno]

You don’t? (Looking at post history)



You do? (Looking at post history)

I dont know how spineless someone has to be to play the race treated by the devs as a joke and you still defend them.

[Aword3213]

I dont know how spineless someone has to be to play the race treated by the devs as a joke and you still defend them.

Yeah right. If there's a cristicism, you HAVE to agree with it. Otherwise you're defending the game. I'm not interested in being a collective Hivemind, thank you.

by the way, I consider people paying for products they don't like SPINELESS

[R041]

You don’t? (Looking at post history)

You do? (Looking at post history)

Where in my post history does it say I actually do garbage like Roulettes today? I stopped touching 90% of combat content in XIV after Stormblood outside of day 1 MSQ/Normal Raid. Can't even get queues to pop for the things that are actually enjoyable, it's all repeating garbage hallways, Praetorium, and CT. That's on top of the classes themselves being completely mundane now.

There are other games out there that do a better job of that, which is why I've managed to stay relatively sane the past 5 years. lol

My days are typically spent sitting around making gil off of AH because nothing else is even remotely engaging. That's my content now. Well, was - I login maybe once every 1-2 weeks now.

You make it seem like I can't finish all content we get each patch cycle within a single day or less with almost 0 effort involved. And I wouldn't consider doing MSQ content once every 4 months as me 'playing for the combat'.

Now WoW? I would say I play for the combat. Which is why when WoW players started playing XIV, they were likely looking for something in particular, in the wrong place. I just don't think WoW players want to AFK in Limsa 11 months out of the year.

Zzzzzz

[Zanarkand-Ronso]

I like FFXIV.
Thats why I still pay my Sub, and Still play it.

But the Forums are a miserable place, and on occasion funny to visit.

[Rymi64]

I like FFXIV.
Thats why I still pay my Sub, and Still play it.

But the Forums are a miserable place, and on occasion funny to visit.

Probably why they don't seem keen on the job feedback left here (other than the fact that how some ppl word their stuff comes off super rude)