FF16 stealing even more dev time from FF14

[Iyrnthota]

What you seem to be forgetting is that FF15 came out after 10 years of work or so?

In the process of developing FF16 there's been a pandemic, and many other problems. FF16's concept work started back in 2015. This is only going to be year 8 of their work on it, and they're already trying to release it this June.

So yes, I can see why this could be hurting FF14. They're trying to rush a major title. I wonder, I wonder, where could they have gotten the resources to rush it from, especially considering the previous major title took 10 years of development?

I think the point is that a lot of people look at FF16 and say "this is the cause of the current content issues in FF14", but with how close to release it is, and how long it's been developed for, it is far more likely that if it did have an impact, then it would have been around Stormblood/Shadowbringers era. Not current Endwalker.

[CStrife912]

I think the point is that a lot of people look at FF16 and say "this is the cause of the current content issues in FF14", but with how close to release it is, and how long it's been developed for, it is far more likely that if it did have an impact, then it would have been around Stormblood/Shadowbringers era. Not current Endwalker.

Oh my lord a voice of understanding....you wouldn't have the issues arise now during a polishing/debugging period...this is where people will like come off the project back to FF14 XD Also for that individual FFXV took 10 years because Nomura handled dev for some long changing his mind and then S-E shifting him to do other projects...15 is just a bunch of mishandling in general. FF7 remake as well took 5 years to release part 1 but once again that was because 2 years in they basically scrapped and started over again because of the outside help of Cyber connect 2 wasn't hitting their quality standards. FF16 would of caused the most issue during SB and ShB like you said yet people think when its months away now is the problem....the team is also making another expansion which is roughly a year away from now too on top of other things...but by all means people blame FF16 for now...not the years ago it should of mattered.

[NekoMataMata]

I think the point is that a lot of people look at FF16 and say "this is the cause of the current content issues in FF14", but with how close to release it is, and how long it's been developed for, it is far more likely that if it did have an impact, then it would have been around Stormblood/Shadowbringers era. Not current Endwalker.

Counterpoint. EW itself was in development years prior to release. A lot of people felt that EW was underwhelming compared to ShB, and EW was being developed during the peak development time of FF16, right?

Even the patches themselves could have been planned out to be this way far ahead of their release dates due to them trying to leave wiggle room for any issues with FF16.

[CStrife912]

Counterpoint. EW itself was in development years prior to release. A lot of people felt that EW was underwhelming compared to ShB, and EW was being developed during the peak development time of FF16, right?

Even the patches themselves could have been planned out to be this way far ahead of their release dates due to them trying to leave wiggle room for any issues with FF16.

Check the FF16 twitter where they said in 2021 that covid basically delayed them 6 months due to them waiting on outside asset delivery from contractors...or those deliveries were canceled due to countries handling work and covid differently. If that was the case 16 would of been out by now, they had delays with 14 and covid hence 5.3 was pushed back. I think you are going in with the definitely happened mindset whereas I am not disagreeing something may have happened but there is way more facts that contradict that viewpoint.

[RyuDragnier]

Counterpoint. EW itself was in development years prior to release. A lot of people felt that EW was underwhelming compared to ShB, and EW was being developed during the peak development time of FF16, right?

Even the patches themselves could have been planned out to be this way far ahead of their release dates due to them trying to leave wiggle room for any issues with FF16.

Counter counterpoint.

EW was being worked on after ShB was released, and the decision to make it 1 expansion instead of 2 fell on Yoshi-P who made the call because he felt it was time to wrap it up. If you recall, they even delayed the release to do their quality check because Yoshi-P himself micromanaged it to the point where they needed more time for the quality check. That doesn't sound like FFXVI development interfering with the development of FFXIV to me. The Pandaemonium raids have been well received, the Ultimates have been well received, the EXs have been well received, the new Alliance Raids have been well received...the only things you can point to having an issue (off the top of my head) is 6.0's story feeling rushed, Criterion's lack of real rewards, the 2nd Manderville relic quest being a repeat of the 1st step, and the 6.1+ story basically being a filler arc.

[Zebraoracle]

Counter counterpoint.

EW was being worked on after ShB was released, and the decision to make it 1 expansion instead of 2 fell on Yoshi-P who made the call because he felt it was time to wrap it up. If you recall, they even delayed the release to do their quality check because Yoshi-P himself micromanaged it to the point where they needed more time for the quality check. That doesn't sound like FFXVI development interfering with the development of FFXIV to me. The Pandaemonium raids have been well received, the Ultimates have been well received, the EXs have been well received, the new Alliance Raids have been well received...the only things you can point to having an issue (off the top of my head) is 6.0's story feeling rushed, Criterion's lack of real rewards, the 2nd Manderville relic quest being a repeat of the 1st step, and the 6.1+ story basically being a filler arc.

Wait, ignoring everything else here, have EW's EXs been well received? Brioche Bun and Fire guy sure, but... I haven't heard anything good about EX Trials 1-3 (1 not needing a healer in the party, 2 being solo tankable/solo healeable, and all three just being absolute boring snorefests, for example). Not saying that's fact, just what I've heard so it's interesting to see someone say they've been well received.

[Iyrnthota]

Counterpoint. EW itself was in development years prior to release. A lot of people felt that EW was underwhelming compared to ShB, and EW was being developed during the peak development time of FF16, right?

Even the patches themselves could have been planned out to be this way far ahead of their release dates due to them trying to leave wiggle room for any issues with FF16.

I'm using Wikipedia, cause they've got some pretty decent sourcing from what I can tell

Stormblood began full development in October 2016, released in June 2017.
Shadowbringers was in planning/development from May 2017 up until it's release in July 2019.
Endwalker was being actively developed from at least some time in October 2019 and was in full development by 2020, before it's final release in December 2021.

That's 3 expansions (and their post release content) being developed from October 2016 to present.

By contrast, FF16 was in concept planning from 2015 and full active development began shortly after Heavensward patch 3.4 release in September 2016 and is due to release this year


This means that FF16 was and will be in active development from pre-Stormblood up until mid-Endwalker.

Edit: Linky links
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Final_...od#Development
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Final_...rs#Development
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Final_...er#Development
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Final_...VI#Development