FF16 stealing even more dev time from FF14

[Ransu]

Endwalker now has even less content than Shadowbringers.

This is outright untrue lol.

[Atelier-Bagur]

Aha why would people be self entitled for wanting their money to go in the game they actually play? I don’t give two craps about 16, and would want my money to go in the game I pay to play, not in a game Ill never care about. And SE is not low on money, they still sell a lot of other single player games.

You have zero rights to tell people to shut up, unless you follow your own example at least sometimes and spare us all.

Because first of all, thats not whats even happening. If were to believe that FFXIV is suffering its quality due to FFXVI then its not because of resources but due to Yoshida not managing both projects very well.

And second, sorry but just like you dont particularly care for FFXVI, surprisignly a lot of people also dont much care for FFXIV so being this self-entitled that theyre wanting to develop other games because theres an audience for them that existed even before FFXIV existed is super cringe. Actually grow up and stop being so attached to one game.

[OdinelStarrei]

Oi, are you guys seriously just gonna fall for the bait again? This is just another Titanman alt, I know it's been a couple of months now, but really? Masculine names? Confrontational titles? Somewhat contradictory, but inflammatory positions? Multiple topics made in a short time period?

Skiros, I understand what you're doing, but you don't have to waste your effort with this board, these people are more than willing to manufacture imaginary strawmen to fight all on their own at this point.

[Kolaina]

We paid for FF14 not FF16.

Let’s address this illogical comment. Final fantasy 14 didn’t always exist. The money to develop this game came from somewhere. That somewhere would be other square enix titles.

So in turn the profits from this game, as with all other square games, whether it’s final fantasy, tomb raider, a marvel game, whatever, go into developing other games.

You’d think this reasoning would be obvious

[R041]

Let’s address this illogical comment. Final fantasy 14 didn’t always exist. The money to develop this game came from somewhere. That somewhere would be other square enix titles.

So in turn the profits from this game, as with all other square games, whether it’s final fantasy, tomb raider, a marvel game, whatever, go into developing other games.

You’d think this reasoning would be obvious

Alright, I'm not gonna defend OP or anything. 'Cause.. It's a complicated subject.

But it's also weird to say "Yeah, well FFX paid for FFXI" - No, it allowed the funds to start the project and finish it by a corporation paying it's employees. But ultimately it still needs to pay for itself after sales are completed. FFXIV is also a product that has a sales goal to pay for itself. This also includes the fact that we have a cash shop.

The concern is how the excessive funds are shared and used. Engaging customers may feel entitled to more content given the current funds to the current product.

So if FFXVI pays for itself and takes the excess funds away from FFXIV, it may feel unfair to those customers. Or the idea that SE pockets it for just.. Bullshit corporate reasons.

But I think people also have a right to be suspicious and concerned about where the funds go. Mostly because strange SE decisions that we know have been pretty sour. Can't take the SE out of FFXIV unfortunately.

It's also not a matter of funding, it's a matter of dev availability. How can we 100% for certain trust that XIV hasn't been impacted in some form when they pulled devs.

Who knows, maybe FFXVI and FFXIV 7.0 will regain some of that trust.

[CStrife912]

Alright, I'm not gonna defend OP or anything. 'Cause.. It's a complicated subject.

But it's also weird to say "Yeah, well FFX paid for FFXI" - No, it allowed the funds to start the project and finish it by a corporation paying it's employees. But ultimately it still needs to pay for itself after sales are completed. FFXIV is also a product that has a sales goal to pay for itself. This also includes the fact that we have a cash shop.

The concern is how the excessive funds are shared and used. Engaging customers may feel entitled to more content given the current funds to the current product.

So if FFXVI pays for itself and takes the excess funds away from FFXIV, it may feel unfair to those customers. Or the idea that SE pockets it for just.. Bullshit corporate reasons.

But I think people also have a right to be suspicious and concerned about where the funds go. Mostly because strange SE decisions that we know have been pretty sour. Can't take the SE out of FFXIV unfortunately.

It's also not a matter of funding, it's a matter of dev availability. How can we 100% for certain trust that XIV hasn't been impacted in some form when they pulled devs.

Who knows, maybe FFXVI and FFXIV 7.0 will regain some of that trust.

Im going to be honest, at first the other day I thought you were just passionately trolling people or refusing to see sides but the last day or so your responses have changed my view on you and I apologize if I got arsey at any point with yourself. It is clear we both want better for the game and are passionate about it in our own ways.

The problem with this incredibly lukewarm take is that companies are supposed to have multiple teams working on multiple projects. Not one team working on multiple projects. Moving some of the XIV staff to XVI is honestly insanity to me when XIV is a constantly updating game in need of a 24/7 dedicated team. Putting people like Yoshi, Soken, Koji, Natsuko, and God knows who else on XVI as well is baffling when it's clear XIV would and is suffering because of it.

The thing is if you read my above post...content has changed in the slightest really since it was in production so long ago...Koji, Soken and Yoshi have barely an impact on 16/14 in the grand scheme of things if you take how many different teams/departments they are. WoW has a much much bigger team than what 14 has and barely makes as much content. I would say CBU3 is borderline family at this point haha.

[R041]

Im going to be honest, at first the other day I thought you were just passionately trolling people or refusing to see sides but the last day or so your responses have changed my view on you and I apologize if I got arsey at any point with yourself. It is clear we both want better for the game and are passionate about it in our own ways.

I appreciate it. I don't consider myself a troll by any means, but I do allow myself the flexibility to have braindead takes at times. lol

[Kes13a]

Let’s address this illogical comment. Final fantasy 14 didn’t always exist. The money to develop this game came from somewhere. That somewhere would be other square enix titles.

So in turn the profits from this game, as with all other square games, whether it’s final fantasy, tomb raider, a marvel game, whatever, go into developing other games.

You’d think this reasoning would be obvious

my apologies, but I do not think you can apply "reason" and "obvious" to a majority of posts on the english forums. I am sure back in the day, the same people would have been carrying pitchforks around the burning barn shouting "we paid for X game not FFXIV"

it never changes, never will

[CaptainLagbeard]

FF 16 is stealing FF 14 resources because Square Enix just can't publish a successful game.

They probably need that big hit that just prints them money for a while... After such great hits as Babylon's Fall, Marvel's Avengers, Valkyrie Elysium, Star Ocean The Divine Force and Forspoken.

[CStrife912]

FF16 went in dev around 2016 in pre-production...in that time they have released 3 expansions and subsequent patch content....and are around year off of their next expansion which is a visual overhaul as well. Compared to say Business Unit 1 who make FF7 remake...they announced it went into production in 2015....its 2023 and we don't even have part 2. FF16 is a bigger game than part 1 and a longer game and were worried that 16 is taking limelight...I think it sucks to be a FF7 fan at the moment more so.

In seriousness...Endwalker has provided way more variety in content compared to Shadowbringers. The issue is just the rewards and replayability need to be addressed which can be tackled by 6.5. When their 3 variant/criterion dungeons are done they can design a longer term replayability for them. The only real difference is no relic zone but now a deep dungeon yes they don't go hand in hand in terms of comparison but that's all that's really altered.

Then we go onto resources, resources don't all go to endgame or the end section, they have clearly spent more towards trimming up Prae and Castrum, remaking and redesigning ARR dungeons and bosses, remaking two trials into solo duties, QoL galore in comparison to other expansions. Adventure plates, the largest update and rework for PvP the game has had in such a long time. Duty support being added to all prior to Shadowbringers expansions allowing more and more people to get through the story content on their own which yes is a double edged sword but at least they can progress more freely now.

Creative Business Unit 3 is a massive team, go to December 21st on the 16 twitter when they said the game is 6 months behind schedule because of delays or outright cancellations of outside contractors with their assets etc. On top of that moving Koji and Soken to 16 (Soken still does 14 though lol) is not even going to affect flow they literally barely impact the dev cycle. Yoshi P is a producer not a developer or director for 16 he is just in charge of marketing, contracts, making sure the schedule is maintained and handing day to day stuff with the project lead and director. He is just more present now because they are marketing ready for release.....he will be doing 3 fanfests in the next year for FF14 and a media tour....it's no different.

I could go on but this is a bait thread I am just tired of people not understanding there is a finite amount of resources....and they have been spent in other areas that sadly don't appeal to you...it doesn't mean they haven't been spent.