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    Caimie_Tsukino's Avatar
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    Caimie Tsukino
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    Goldsmith Lv 100

    Splendorous Tools Guide by Caimie Tsukino

    Splendorous Tools Guide by Caimie Tsukino


    http://ffxivrealm.com/guides/splendo...e-tsukino.225/

    PDF version:
    https://www.dropbox.com/scl/fi/1prsr...lo9yqlboq&dl=0

    The DoH parts are very straight forward. But the DoL parts are actually a bit more tricky, especially with Fisher!
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    Last edited by Caimie_Tsukino; 11-04-2023 at 03:34 PM.

    “The best crafter is not the one with the best stats, but the one who makes the best use of one’s stats” – By Caimie Tsukino

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    King Canadane
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    Warrior Lv 100
    Tag, because I gotta start on this eventually.
    I just keep putting it off...
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    http://king.canadane.com

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    Alya Mizar
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    Marauder Lv 72
    First stage macro that works with appalling stats: Works for second stage with better stats too.

    My alt's stats: Crafts: 3303, Cont: 3323, 556 CPs (non spec) with base tool. iL 550. Food: HQ Calamari Ripieni CP max 82, Crafts max 120.

    My stats: Crafts: 3769, Cont: 3613, 603 CPs (spec) with Chondrite Bomb Frypan. iL 595. Food: HQ Seafood Stew CP max 50, Cont max 31.
    With Augmented tool: Crafts: 3849, Cont: 3644, 596 CPs. iL 597.

    636 CPs.

    /ac "Muscle Memory" <wait.3>
    /ac Manipulation <wait.2>
    /ac Veneration <wait.2>
    /ac Groundwork <wait.3>
    /ac "Basic Touch" <wait.3>
    /ac "Prudent Touch" <wait.3>
    /ac "Prudent Touch" <wait.3>
    /ac "Prudent Touch" <wait.3>
    /ac "Prudent Touch" <wait.3>
    /ac Manipulation <wait.2>
    /ac Innovation <wait.2>
    /ac "Waste Not" <wait.2>
    /echo Macro #1 finished <se.1>

    /ac "Basic Touch" <wait.3>
    /ac "Standard Touch" <wait.3>
    /ac "Advanced Touch" <wait.3>
    /ac "Great Strides" <wait.2>
    /ac Innovation <wait.2>
    /ac Observe <wait.3>
    /ac "Focused Touch" <wait.3>
    /ac "Great Strides" <wait.2>
    /ac "Byregot's Blessing" <wait.3>
    /ac "Veneration" <wait.2>
    /ac "Careful Synthesis" <wait.3>
    /ac "Basic Synthesis" <wait.3>
    /echo Craft finished <se.2>

    (Its really my 3 star 35D macro.)

    (Yes, I blow off one waste not, it irritates me too.)
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    Last edited by Shadygrove; 03-16-2023 at 09:14 AM.

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    Jain Farstrider
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    TL;DR Use the Crystalline Tool for Expert Recipes. It is far superior after just 1* Good.

    I wanted to add some notes I made about the Crystalline Tools and their "good" bonus, as far as expert recipes goes.

    With the current tier of available tools - we either have pentalmelded Indagator or unmeldable Crystalline. The latter comes with 7 CP on it and equal craftsmanship/control. However, without those melds, we are probably leaving off upwards of 60 control. Which begs the question, is the extra 25% on a good better than 60 control when expert recipes are concerned?

    The loss of that much control costs around 0.78% of quality per hit. So, if a Touch would hit for 500 with the Crystalline Tool, it hits for 504 instead. We can extrapolate out its value by working backwards from our goal. I'll use the Island Sanctuary Water Otter Fountain parts for this example. We need 13500 quality to synth it.

    Let's pretend that the Crystalline Tool had two options - the 25% bonus to Good states or 60 control. This is essentially the Crystalline vs Indagator's tool.

    Let's say I normally hit for 3945 on a Great Strides / Innovation / Byregots with the Indagator Tool. I'll hit for 3915 with the Crystalline Tool. A loss of 30 quality. Which means that I need to get to 9555 with the Indagator's Tool vs 9585 with the Crystalline Tool in order to finish (without a good state). However, let's change these numbers in relation to the Crystalline Tool. Since that tool is getting 0.78% less quality per hit, the Indagator's Tool would need only an equivalent of 9480 if it was the Crystalline Tool but with the extra 60 control.

    Essentially, that means that 60 control buys us 105 quality over the course of the synth, prior to finishing it.

    Is the Good bonus better?

    If we get a Good with 0 IQ stacks and use something like Precise Touch, we get 580 from Indagator's (60 control bonus) vs 672 with the Crystalline Tool. That's 92 of the 105 quality to close the gap. If we have a good state at any point past an IQ stack of 2, the difference in control of the two tools is already overtaken.

    In those cases where you need to fish for a good using Careful Observation, the threshold you need to hit 13500 is much more stark. With the Cyrstalline Tool, you will receive 6851 quality. With Indagator Tools, you'll receive 5917. That's 934 extra quality. Working backwards, that means that if you have to rely on luck, the Crystalline Tool could conceivably reach the quality threshold with as little as 6650 quality (if you are at 10 stacks) whereas you'd need 7583 with the Indagator Tool.

    While many of these numbers were specific to my melds, changes to control won't make the Indagator Tools superior for expert recipes. Generally speaking, landing 1 touch on a Good at any point brings you even or ahead. Any other Good used on a Touch is gravy. I've found that even with catastrophic RNG early on, if you care to work through the synth, in the hopes of leveraging Careful Observation and Observe to fish for a Good, you can turn very bad RNG into success if you get that little bit of luck at the end. It isn't hard to get to 6800ish quality if you know you just aren't going to get to 9500 due to really band RNG. At least you have up to 5 shots at fishing for a Good.
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