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[Avoidy]

Hello! This doesn't have anything to do with anything but I just wanted to say that you're my favorite poster here and I love you. Always on point with your posts.

Apologies for the random and odd interruption everyone, carry on with the topic.

hey, thanks!

[ForteNightshade]

most of the problems you people have with this game is that it doesn't provide you enough to do to live in and make it the only game you play 24/7/365. DO NOT DO THIS. Don't do this with any one thing. Variety is the spice of life. go out and touch grass.

Yes the OP said he takes breaks, but his breaks probably aren't very long. just an assumption on my part, but they're probably not long enough. stop comparing. play other games, go experience life. watch a bunch of good tv/streaming/movies. read books. play outside with your pets you probably neglect. spend time with.. family? ewwww. ugh. maybe not that last one.

This excuse keeps being brought up and it simply doesn't add up. None of the content released in 6.3 has any lasting longevity to cover a four month cycle even if played at a slower pace, Ultimate notwithstanding. Deep Dungeon is the only piece of content that has any sense of longevity that isn't passive. Case in point, when 6.3 dropped, friends and I had everything wrapped up in a single day. We neither rushed the story nor the 24 man. They just don't have any longevity. My raid group at the time did Rubicante that evening. Basically, by the weekend, I had everything 6.3 offered done except getting to rank 12 in Island Sanctuary. That took me a week of spending two minutes setting up spreadsheets.

Nobody is asking XIV to keep them occupied for an entire patch cycle. They're asking for content to last longer than a week.

[Striker44]

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Comments like this generally confuse me. You're surprised by a dungeon that is "literally"...well...the same exact design that has been used in every dungeon for several expansions now? I haven't seen the new bosses in Euphrosyne burned down at all yet. They're still going through their entire movesets, most of which have unique mechanics not previously seen in AR's. Yes, we'll eventually outgear it so badly that some parts will get skipped, but again, that happens every patch. Oh yes, and of course, let's just largely disregard the key facet of the latest patch (new Deep Dungeon).

The rest of your commentary is nothing but pure opinion trying to masquerade as if it's facts. Personally, I found the Variant dungeons very enjoyable, and I haven't even gotten around to Criterion yet (or IS for that matter). There's very little I would call lazily done or "shallow" in the new content. Only exception would possibly be using just tomestones for the next relic step, but again - personally I don't mind since I also play several other games, with Destiny 2 being my main right now since a new xpac just came out, so a simpler step where I can do basically anything I enjoy and still progress the relic is fine with me for this time around.

[Meowdyj]

Does anyone just love to watch the Endwalker scene when launching the game? I'm looking for that quality.

[IkaraGreydancer]

But Ikara isn't saying that RO41 can't enjoy the things they do in the game. Ikara also isn't showing a lack of empathy either. They did the same things went through the same things. Yet because they say they will be fine mostly in the long run that if for some reason the servers shut down later today or something came up to the point their sub went lax for so long that they lost their in game house that they're some how not showing empathy. Or that they're some how telling RO41 that they're not allowed to enjoy the thing(s) they enjoy in the game. They're just saying that you can still enjoy your house, but you realistically shouldn't be as attached to it as some are. Which is probably an unhealthy thing to do. You shouldn't get so attached to something digital to the point where if you lost it tomorrow it's going to affect you so badly that you'll be a sobbing hot mess for the next week or whatnot.

I'm glad at least one person understands where I'm coming from. I know folks don't like me here and I get labeled all the time. I simply just see things for what they are. I can say til im blue in the face that I understand why folks feel the way that they do. I just have to point out that in the end we have to operate around the systems presented to us. And if we'd rather not we always have to choice to not engage. I don't care to be "more righter" nor am I talking in circles. People will just disagree with me and sadly...I can't do anything to change that. Their minds are made up.

Enjoy what you will people. Just don't disregard the reality..

[DPZ2]

Correct, but also incorrect. There is a bit of coercion involved. If you unsub and leave the game, you lose your house, thus persuading players to stay subbed under threat (I don't mean real danger, so I can clarify and not leave that one open to interpretation or open to someone twisting my words) of housing demolitions and return regularly even if they don't want to at the time. Players know what they are doing and what they are getting into. They just aren't always happy about it.

'Just unhappy' that they agreed to known terms and conditions, discovering that those are actually enforced (outside of certain exceptions)?

That is no more coercion than purchasing a house in Real Life with the expectation that there are no additional costs such as insurance and property taxes you will pay for the next 15-30 years. You may be unhappy with it, but you either pay it or lose your house.

[R041]

'Just unhappy' that they agreed to known terms and conditions, discovering that those are actually enforced (outside of certain exceptions)?

I know folks don't like me here and I get labeled all the time. I simply just see things for what they are.
Enjoy what you will people. Just don't disregard the reality..

It's because what you're both saying, although true - Don't actually matter within the context of our discussion and our general frustration. Did you already forget the actual discussion? Or are you just purposefully being obtuse?

Yes I have a personal and FC house. Yes I can be salty. But the context here is that some of us that have engaged in this content, also want to take a break. So we will take that break, but at the cost of keeping the sub. Because the mental cost of trying to re-obtain the access to this type of content again is too much. As you already know. These are facts, and I will continue to keep my sub. It's annual so it doesn't even matter to me. But it would be nice if we didn't have to worry about such a shitty FOMO system.

Now, we can all agree that it would be nice. Correct? So why is this even a debate.

Let's move on with our lives, stop telling people they can't wish for a more friendly, non-FOMO oriented system.

Throwing around "Yeah well you signed the contract" is just.. Toxic? We know what we're playing. We just have wishes. It's how games evolve. By asking for things and engaging with dev and our community. Always responding with "Yeah but dems da rulez" is just trolling at this point. We know. You don't have to engage. I don't know why you put yourself in a position to engage. It's pointless on your end because the only goal you would have is to shut down discussion around requesting a better experience for all of us.

People dislike you because you add no value to the discussion. You're just trying to say things to piss people off for some reason. Maybe you should pay attention to what you're providing the group. Do you feel you're increasing the overall happiness and engagement of this discussion? Do you often interject discussions in real life by sowing conflict with 0 value? Do you find yourself often left out of group discussions because you "Tell it like it is"?

What you provide isn't constructive. It's dismissive.

[Atelier-Bagur]

This excuse keeps being brought up and it simply doesn't add up. None of the content released in 6.3 has any lasting longevity to cover a four month cycle even if played at a slower pace, Ultimate notwithstanding. Deep Dungeon is the only piece of content that has any sense of longevity that isn't passive. Case in point, when 6.3 dropped, friends and I had everything wrapped up in a single day. We neither rushed the story nor the 24 man. They just don't have any longevity. My raid group at the time did Rubicante that evening. Basically, by the weekend, I had everything 6.3 offered done except getting to rank 12 in Island Sanctuary. That took me a week of spending two minutes setting up spreadsheets.

Nobody is asking XIV to keep them occupied for an entire patch cycle. They're asking for content to last longer than a week.

Sorry but I cant personally relate to this as I enjoy playing other games and have a working job and a tight schedule, and I learned not to just rush things (even though you claim to have done so). Grinds get boring extremely fast and I cannot sit through doing the same thing for more than an hour. So the content grind presented to me in this patch with Deep Dungeon, Weapon relic and Crafter/Gatherer relic I cannot do within a single day because its not fun. I can only feasibly do a bit at a time and then move on to something else. So while yes, theoretically these grinds for can be done within a day, I just lack the time and interest to do such a thing because its seriously not worth it imo.

So what I basically wind up doing is spreading the grinds out a little bit each day so it doesnt get stale nor boring in my short playtime and I can focus on other things. This way, I can avoid burnout and still have some enjoyment playing the game so what it winds up doing is this content taking me more than a week to fully complete. The fact that Im even allowed to do something like this in an MMO and not feel pressured to rush is a fresh of breath air for my time.

[Vahlnir]

'Just unhappy' that they agreed to known terms and conditions, discovering that those are actually enforced (outside of certain exceptions)?

That is no more coercion than purchasing a house in Real Life with the expectation that there are no additional costs such as insurance and property taxes you will pay for the next 15-30 years. You may be unhappy with it, but you either pay it or lose your house.

I will not be engaging with you any further. Good luck, have fun, etc.

[SannaR]

I'm glad at least one person understands where I'm coming from. I know folks don't like me here and I get labeled all the time. I simply just see things for what they are. I can say til im blue in the face that I understand why folks feel the way that they do. I just have to point out that in the end we have to operate around the systems presented to us. And if we'd rather not we always have to choice to not engage. I don't care to be "more righter" nor am I talking in circles. People will just disagree with me and sadly...I can't do anything to change that. Their minds are made up.

Enjoy what you will people. Just don't disregard the reality..

You're welcome. I have also had similar "conversations" where the person you're trying to have a discussion where they're just not understanding for whatever reason what you're say. To the point where even though you do your best in trying to be clear in what you're trying to say the other person doesn't or refuses to try. To the point that they start claiming you're saying something you're not. Or trying to change the scope of the conversation.