FF14 needs WvW or RvR

[VelKallor]

Afterthought

If that vaporware they call 'Ashes of Creation" ever gets out of alpha and releases as a full game ( if ever, LOL ), I am stocking up on popcorn..I give it less than 2 months after release for them to realise why you dont spend millions making a pay to play, full loot open world pvp game.

I give it three months for the honeymoon to end, four months, for people to start jumping ship when they discover they dont want to pay to be someone elses chew toy , six months for their playerbase to hit rock bottom going FTP.

Open pvp games have very low player numbers for good reason.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3ewlcUrIUb0

Josh Hayes has the best take on the matter.

[Bobby66]

Interesting, though does not seem like an issue with World pvp and more so with a bonkers tag system.

[Arkfrost]

As long as Square Enix doesn't drop this dumb "Boohoo, we need to make it fair for players playing on a Nintoaster with an ISDN connection and a ping of 500", and removes that forced server-side ping making skills conntect with a several 100ms delay, even if you have a ping of <10ms, any kind of PvP will forever be lackluster

[Ruru_Nayu]

Can we stay on topic and not complain about open world pvp? OP did not even ask for it.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dnOhMeYxhRM
^that is WvW

[VelKallor]

Or perhaps it's more of an issue of their fellow high level horde players who most definitely were in the area as well but did nothing to stop me?

So you admit it then. It never, of course, occurred to you that maybe you should just leave questgivers alone..or didnt the fact that you were seriously screwing up others gameplay ever occur to you?

Of course it didnt.

Hell all those low levels working together probably could have done it too

Ever stop to consider they didnt give a toss for pvp and maybe it would have been a better idea to leave them alone.???

A Dog asleep in a manger filled with hay, was awakened by the Cattle, which came in tired and hungry from working in the field. But the Dog would not let them get near the manger, and snarled and snapped as if it were filled with the best of meat and bones, all for himself. The Cattle looked at the Dog in disgust. “How selfish he is!” said one. “He cannot eat the hay and yet he will not let us eat it who are so hungry for it!”

Do not grudge others what you cannot enjoy yourself.

[Jojoya]

So you admit it then. It never, of course, occurred to you that maybe you should just leave questgivers alone..or didnt the fact that you were seriously screwing up others gameplay ever occur to you?

Of course it didnt.

Which sounds good except as an enemy player, you usually couldn't tell which flagged NPC is a questgiver or just random NPC(guards were of course obvious because they were on the way to attack as soon as you got in range even if you hadn't attacked them, and most of the vendors had a job title).

The real mistake was on Blizzard's side by flagging the quest NPCs in the first place. But then Blizzard always wanted world PvP to be a standard part of the game. They only added the Normal servers (which weren't even true PvE servers) because they knew they'd miss out on a lot of money from those who wanted a RPG but weren't interested in PvP. Their expectation had been that players killing enemy quest givers would bring out players from the other faction to defend the NPCs and attack the enemy players. It seemed to work fairly well in Vanilla. Then the high level players moved to Outland in Burning Crusade and couldn't be bothered to go back to defending the low level cities when they had their world PvP in Hellfire Peninsula, Zangarmarsh and at Halaa.

Regardless, the OP has made it clear that world PvP is not what they're asking for. They're asking for large scale PvP in zones designed specifically for such PvP that wouldn't fear with PvE acitivity.

[VelKallor]

The real mistake was on Blizzard's side by flagging the quest NPCs in the first place.

A stupid mistake that every other MMO corrected over a decade ago. Blizzard claims they "listen". They dont.

They never have.

They never will.

They are STILL stuck in a 2004 mindset . its past time they woke up and smelled what they are shovelling.

2004 audiences and gameplay paradigms vs 2023 MODERN gaming are diametric opposites.

Most, if not all, MODERN MMO's have been cognizant of one specific factor: the BIG money is in PVE. Very few, IF ANY, MMOs these days allow questgivers and vendors to be pvp flagged, as they are well aware that one or two selfish dolts have the capacity to drive customers away.

Blizzard doesnt even HAVE PVP servers anymore, they have war mode instead..the pvp servers werent..because of the massive faction imbalances they never addressed or cared about.

if Blizzard was, tomorrow, to abandon this garbage design, focus pvp in instances alone, do some serious work on the open world, theyd be surprised at the results..

TBH what WOW needs is its own Calamity and a hard reset. What they have now is NOT working. If they had an ounce of sense, they'd close it down, restart with a new game engine , modern gameplay elements, a new and improved story taken from the boatload of content they obliterated.

I wont go into detail as to how I know, but I am aware of one "test drive" MMO that experimented with the WOW systems..the massive backlash they received "We will NOT pay for a game that allows this" was reason enough to abandon this outdated, outmoded, primitive game design.

The average gamer these days is in their 30's, as a consequence their BS tolerance is VERY short , they will not hesitate in slamming their wallets shut. MMOs cost a mint to make, bad word of mouth can kill it faster than Dalamud's fall.

But then Blizzard always wanted world PvP to be a standard part of the game. They only added the Normal servers (which weren't even true PvE servers) because they knew they'd miss out on a lot of money from those who wanted a RPG but weren't interested in PvP.

And yet , decades later, the fact that most PVE gamers dont give a rats hind leg for "wurld pee vee pee" STILL hasnt penetrated their thick skulls.

Their expectation had been that players killing enemy quest givers would bring out players from the other faction to defend the NPCs and attack the enemy players. It seemed to work fairly well in Vanilla..

Again, this is the 2004 mindset and approach. Out of date. Archaic. Backwards. This follows on with that idiotic "faction war" that they refuse to let go of "It was the basis of the original game" yeah and the Model T Ford was the basis of modern automobiles..............how many Model T Fords do we see on the roads now?

Twenty years is a long time where the gaming industry is concerned. Time for the WOW devs to get their act together.

[Y2K21]

TBH what WOW needs is its own Calamity and a hard reset. What they have now is NOT working. If they had an ounce of sense, they'd close it down, restart with a new game engine , modern gameplay elements, a new and improved story taken from the boatload of content they obliterated.

"WoW should hard reset like FF14 did with 2.0"

And people really think that the devs should listen to GDs regardless of the game? Taking a twenty year old game and essentially rebooting would be a final nail in the coffin for a lot of players who have a lot of history to their characters.

It would be like deciding to have another Calamity after Endwalker and resetting FF14.

[VelKallor]

Taking a twenty year old game and essentially rebooting would be a final nail in the coffin for a lot of players who have a lot of history to their characters.

I dont remember saying anything about characters. I said the world needs fixing. it does. The engine they use is old and wheezing, for gods sake they cant even manage a universal day night cycle. The game needs a hard reset with a new engine and a load of QoL systems they havent bothered with up until now.

[Midareyukki]

GW2's WvW are kind of fun, though they also feel like you're just going with the herd half the time xD

I do wonder, though, wouldn't they just be "more elaborate Frontlines?"