FF14 needs WvW or RvR

[IDontPetLalas]

No one else does.

No one here cares for, wants, or is interested in gankfests.

We are there to do the boss, not to cater to your need of being the centre of attention. See, this is the selfish pvp mentality, you dont care what others want.

"People do not dislike open world pvp...they LOATHE IT"

You don't want it, which is fine, and likely some other people share your viewpoint. Kindly don't assume that everyone shares that same opinion I've participated in exactly this type of PVP in other games and enjoyed it very much, and miss it somewhat in this game.

However, I knew that it wouldn't be available in this game whereas it was designed into those other games from the start of those games. I think it would be an interesting way to get more people into the open world if a hunts in a single specific area were designated to be in a PVP zone- SWTOR had a similar concept.

[Rilifane]

No one else does.

No one here cares for, wants, or is interested in gankfests.

We are there to do the boss, not to cater to your need of being the centre of attention. See, this is the selfish pvp mentality, you dont care what others want.

"People do not dislike open world pvp...they LOATHE IT"

I loved open world PvP in a lot of games, especially RvR/ WvW/ FvF like the mass battles in Aion and such. Or the Abyss in general. Played WoW and SW:TOR on a PvP server and enjoyed it very much, even when being on the "wrong" server such as playing Alli on a Horde-dominated server and vice versa.
Not sure who you are supposed to quote here or if you're not really quoting anyone and just try to make your statement seem like a fact, but there is definitely a target audience for open world PvP and you're not the judge of what people enjoy in general or not.

I don't think it would make sense to go for in this game anymore, I think the ship has simply sailed and since we didn't have any PvP at all at first, it attracted people that are firmly against any form of it and naturally, they'll try to protect their non-PvP territory. It all comes down to how you build up a game and this one was never build up for open world PvP and took quite some time until we had any functioning PvP at all. Which is fine. I would've liked to have it but different strokes for different folks.
But I doubt shoehorning something into a game after spending so much time avoiding it/ treating it as an afterthought would work.

[RitsukoSonoda]

Played WoW at it's vanilla launch on a PvP server. Random bouts of PvP while exploring and doing quests against players around my level was enjoyable. Faction clashes where a bunch of ppl on both sides come to an area and have it out was fun. "Gankers" however were annoying at every level. At low levels you were targeted by them. At high levels you were constantly asked to clear them out. Admittedly I did do some douchey things during my short time in WoW but that was limited to sniping ppl in Booty Bay just to watch the bouncers bounce them and going into Horde settlements and killing all the quest NPCs...

[Shinkuno]

World vs World or Realm vs Realm.

Aka PvP Server vs Server or Data Center vs Data Center

can also mean faction vs faction, RvRvR is usually used when there are 3 factions that are open pvp against each other

[VelKallor]

You don't want it, which is fine, and likely some other people share your viewpoint.

NO ONE wants it.

Mate..lemme lay this out for you in a way even you can understand. IF Square Enix was to announce that they are activating open world pvp in FF 14, in a week you would be looking at empty servers worldwide as players leave the game EN MASSE.

However, I knew that it wouldn't be available in this game whereas it was designed into those other games from the start of those games. I think it would be an interesting way to get more people into the open world if a hunts in a single specific area were designated to be in a PVP zone- SWTOR had a similar concept.

Then go play those games.

Admittedly I did do some douchey things during my short time in WoW but that was limited to sniping ppl in Booty Bay just to watch the bouncers bounce them and going into Horde settlements and killing all the quest NPCs...

Ahhh you were a selfish griefer.....I see.

Back in WOW during Legion they had this area called the Underbelly, which was a "wurld pee vee pee" area, they allowed it there and had this loot item you could get to buy things with..so they had raid groups of thirty or forty together killing anyone who had to go into those areas for quest items.

Then Blizzard announced that if you were in a raid group, you couldnt get the loot item.

In ONE day those groups vanished, and no one wanted to pvp there anymore, which proved two things

1. How popular..or unpopular .."wurld pee vee pee" is..was..or in this case had never been

and

2. That most, if not all "wurld pee vee pee" players were in fact snivelling cowards who didnt want to fight once the possibility existed that they could lose.... then we go to New World, and the hysterically funny failure that cost Amazon millions of dollars to discover what i could have told them for free..they allowed "open pvp" in their New World Alpha, and were shocked..shocked I say..to see gank squads attacking anyone lower than themselves repeatedly, to the point they were driving the very people they needed to TEST THE ALPHA off the servers.

So now New World has opt in pvp..which was, of course the proximate cause of whining from pvpers who were only after easy kills, never wanted a fair fight and were, again, snivelling cowards..you mention WOW, yeah i remember them ganking lowbies, then as soon as an armed and armoured equal turned up, they leapt on the flight mounts they didnt want anyone else to have and ran like hell.

Or these "leet "wurld pee vee pee" players sat there destroying questgivers and vendors for their own lulz or just to be a selfish dog in the manger, when an armed player showed up for a fight..what did they do?

They ran away.

WOW is old, out of touch, out of date, archaic, a sick joke..modern MMOs dont cater to that kind of toxic, destructive behaviour anymore. Even their vaunted war mode is a sick joke, as most players are on ONE faction, imbalanced realms, the pvpers kick and scream "I have no one to fight Blizz plzzz fix"....without even stopping to think or realise that the reason they have no one to fight, is a direct indication of how few people want to do it in the first place.

Some people are just plain STUPID.

FF 14 is not, and never will be pvp oriented..in fact one of the major drawcards for FF 14 is that no one has to deal with online sociopaths, whose only source of fun is to interfere in other peoples gameplay to validate their sad existence.

[Wyssahtyn]

this game ain't built for it. shame, since aside from gw2's comparatively lively overworld, wvw is probably the other most enjoyable thing i find about it, even if i am just trailing after the zerg most of the time since i don't have a warclaw yet.

[VelKallor]

Afterthought

If that vaporware they call 'Ashes of Creation" ever gets out of alpha and releases as a full game ( if ever, LOL ), I am stocking up on popcorn..I give it less than 2 months after release for them to realise why you dont spend millions making a pay to play, full loot open world pvp game.

I give it three months for the honeymoon to end, four months, for people to start jumping ship when they discover they dont want to pay to be someone elses chew toy , six months for their playerbase to hit rock bottom going FTP.

Open pvp games have very low player numbers for good reason.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3ewlcUrIUb0

Josh Hayes has the best take on the matter.

[Bobby66]

No one else does.

No one here cares for, wants, or is interested in gankfests.

We are there to do the boss, not to cater to your need of being the centre of attention. See, this is the selfish pvp mentality, you dont care what others want.

"People do not dislike open world pvp...they LOATHE IT"

I would not say "no one else does" PvP at hunts seems like fun. Form a nature preserve FC to protect hunt targets from being attacked they deserve to live and be loved.

[Bobby66]

Or we hate both.

In WoW, I hated other players attacking me while I'm trying to get other things done even though I was on a Normal world and supposedly immune to the effects of world PvP as long as I did not turn on my PvP flag (I was not).

When I wanted to PvP, I'd go into a battleground.

Then I started to hate PvP in general because of the toxic players that were attracted by it.

I have no issues if world PvP is kept isolated to very specific worlds designated for it. Let those who enjoy world PvP have their fun. I want no part of it.

Of course, the reality is no one wants to be on the side that's usually losing. They end up transferring to the winning side. Next thing you know, there's no one to oppose you in PvP because you've turned it into a gankfest. It's that, as much as the OP racials, that caused the majority of WoW players to switch to Horde instead of Horde and Alliance ending up fairly evenly matched.

As others have said, sound good in practice but never works out in the long run. PvP that's tied to any sort of faction system (even if those factions are servers) doesn't work out.


And then wonder why they're having a hard time finding members of an opposing faction so they can kill them.

How did players attack you if you were not on a PvP server or had war mode turned on? A song comes into music head but I will refrain from linking it.

[TheMightyMollusk]

How did players attack you if you were not on a PvP server or had war mode turned on?

If you used an AoE attack and a player flagged for PvP walked into it, they'd get hit and you'd get flagged. Griefers love to do it so they can pick a fight whether you wanted it or not, and a number of classes had AoE skills as part of their single target rotations.