How many spells do Summoner even have?

[MikkoAkure]

I use swiftcast on garuda slipstream.

Doing it wrong?

That would work, but personally my Ifrit's always generally been Ruby Rite -> Ruin IV -> Ruby Rite ->Crimson Cyclone -> Fester -> Crimson Strike -> Fester

I find it to be the best summon to mix the Energy Drain bits in.

I thought I read somewhere last year that using it on Ifrit was a slight DPS gain over using it on Garuda so I’ve just been doing that. Some Discord DPS calculating person probably figured it’s a 3 DPS increase or something.

I just like knowing I will never have more than 1 hard cast per summon so I feel like I have more mobility.

[MahthildisMMORPG]

It's less about how easy it is, and how many abilities can i shove into my Logitech g600, also I specifically stated that my post about the girl I met had zero relation to my other posts. Max 24 + Q, E, R, F, mouse left, mouse right.

I was thinking about class changing too, so I created a similar post at the same time because I was also interested in Summoner too, due to it being top meta in content i liked. The post about the girl I met, is unrelated to my three other posts. I personally have a developmental disability, not a learning one lel.

Learning disability or not though, if there is a way for them to learn, it should come in time, whether they have to teach it to themselves instead of being told it, or whether they can only be told it, or however their way of learning works.

Even people without disabilities take time to understand rotations like this. It’s easy to see how many new players don’t press things right even into the high levels by the videos they upload on youtube. So it’s not entirely unusual.

True, but I've been slightly annoyed with trying to help, and then her saying "it's soooo hard, please help, I don't wanna play this class, what's this, what's that". And I am personally an easily frustrated/annoyed person when it comes to trying to help, my mother knows better than anyone how irritated I can get. (moms a boomer who is bad at technology) Also, I'll feel bad if I'm like "you gotta keep trying and help yourself." But I don't work in the mental health field, so I don't exactly know how to handle it. I'm just a dude. It's either, she continues trying at Paladin, and complains to me, or try finding her an easy class so I won't hear the complaining.

[MahthildisMMORPG]

oooh, thanks bro!

[VictorSpoils]

To put it simply, its because their 'peak rotation' is linear & very foolproof.

Can't Aethercharge/Summon Bahamut? "Oh, I need to have carby out... "
Can't use Legos? "Oh, I need to finish Aethercharge/Summon Bahamut phase first..."
Can't use Gemshine/Precious Brilliance & Astral Flow? "Oh I need to use Bahamut/Phoenix/Legos..."
Can't use Ruin IV & Festers? "Oh I need to use Energy Drain/Siphon..."
Ruin IV is timed exactly the same as its catalyst? "Oh so I need to expend it before using another..."
Then you realize there's an insane amount of potency shoehorned into Bahamut's phase? "Oh hmm Bahamy is yum yum op! Let's buff it with Searing Light!"

What else? Maybe super dumping 4 Festers into raidbuff window? Maybe learning where in the fight it's safe to standstill to cast during Ifrit phase (something that all spellcasters will naturally learn)? Maybe learning where in the fight it's safe enough to not murder yourself or your partymate with Crimson Cyclone? Maybe learning whether it's worthy to Swift a Slipstream cast to catch raidbuff window in a raidbuff heavy compo groups? Maybe saving it for Ruby Rites casts or combat raise? Not that SMN is lacking in instants at this point. They're memed for being a phys ranged dps in caster coat not without a reason.

It's hard to fail playing a SMN because the restriction it implore to player restrict player from failing for the most part.

The best part is when you see two or more SMNs and they nonchalantly use Searing Light at the same time. Can't really blame them for not caring.

I thought I read somewhere last year that using it on Ifrit was a slight DPS gain over using it on Garuda so I’ve just been doing that. Some Discord DPS calculating person probably figured it’s a 3 DPS increase or something.

I just like knowing I will never have more than 1 hard cast per summon so I feel like I have more mobility.

That was probably before they changed the Ruby recast time from 2.5s to 3s (cast time is 2.8s). Now it's either for movement, getting the Garuda DoT out quicker, getting one last hit in, or maybe a Raise in a tense situation.

[DixieBellOCE]

So, comparing all the classes, with the help of someone else. It came down to this?

FFXIV, all abilities, excluding role actions:

blm 25 (excluding sleep, f2, b2, scathe)
smn 27 (excluding physic)
rdm 25
chad (blue) mage 24

bard 23
mch 21
dnc 22

mnk 25
drg 23 (excl spear throw)
nin 25
sam 27 (24 excluding enpi, yaten, merciful eyes)
reaper 24

whm 23
sch 26
ast 27

pld 25 (excl shield bash)
war 21
drk 23
gnb 25

With role actions:

blm 25 (excluding sleep, f2, b2, scathe) + 4
smn 27 (excluding physic) + 4
rdm 25 + 4
chad (blue) mage 24 + 4

bard 23 + 6
mch 21 + 6
dnc 22 + 6

mnk 25 + 6
drg 23 (excl spear throw) + 6
nin 25 + 6
sam 27 (24 excluding enpi, yaten, merciful eyes) + 6
reaper 24 + 6

whm 23 + 6
sch 26 + 6
ast 27 + 6

pld 25 (excl shield bash) + 7
war 21 + 7
drk 23 + 7
gnb 25 + 7


How does Smn have 27 if it's the easiest class? Does that 27 include pet abilities? Because when I tried counting the abilities, and removing the ones that are evolved into with level up and cant be put on hotbar, the max I counted was about 21 or less.

Simple.

Summoner actually only has around 10 spells.
The rest are Abilities, also commonly known as OGCD abilities.

There is a difference.

[DixieBellOCE]

I thought I read somewhere last year that using it on Ifrit was a slight DPS gain over using it on Garuda so I’ve just been doing that. Some Discord DPS calculating person probably figured it’s a 3 DPS increase or something.

I just like knowing I will never have more than 1 hard cast per summon so I feel like I have more mobility.

Swiftcast slipstream was worked out to be ~10 potency increase in the rotation, completely negligable when you can just save it for a swiftcast raise.

[Jeeqbit]

True, but I've been slightly annoyed with trying to help, and then her saying "it's soooo hard, please help, I don't wanna play this class, what's this, what's that".

Have you tried suggesting she read the tooltips that appear when hovering over the actions? They can press P to open Actions and Traits and hover over all the actions to see what they do.

I’m not saying it will necessarily be as easy to learn as for someone else but if they keep reading through them each day that it confuses them, then maybe with time that reading will start to sink in.

[MahthildisMMORPG]

ogcd, gcd = spells, passive and abilities =/= spell, in my book. Usually when I refer to abilities, it may include passives, which leads to confusion

Anything that isn't a passive (actions that cannot be pressed or that shares a button, such as attacks or abilities that change from another) is a spell to me, so.

As long as we knew what each other meant, the technicalities really don't matter. (also rather not get into a debate about it when it isn't important)

I used to play Magic the Gathering competitively and WoW, so it's a force of habit. (if you know you know) Being WoW has schools of magic that can be silenced, purged, interrupted, and pacified from using such school of magic. Implying everything that isn't a direct physical non-magical attack is a spell.