Lazy Design

[Takamorisan]

Either they are focusing all their guns on 7.0 or we are just seeing the results of SE draining all the cash from FFXIV into other projects (lousy ones) and not making the effort to return the investment to this what I call their golden goose given how their other projects went so far.

[MonteCristo]

Either they are focusing all their guns on 7.0 or we are just seeing the results of SE draining all the cash from FFXIV into other projects (lousy ones) and not making the effort to return the investment to this what I call their golden goose given how their projects went so far.

Either way is starting to feel like a slap in the face to my bank account monthly...especially when they been charging it for over 10 years

[Takamorisan]

Either way is starting to feel like a slap in the face to my bank account monthly...especially when they been charging it for over 10 years

They will only change their pattern if sub numbers take hit and/or people stop consuming the Mogstore. Because they will only see the USD. You can spam the forums and this won't change at all, their financials always dictate if change is required.

[GhostZukin]

They're basically going down the same path that Trion Worlds did: They made a hit (Rift) and then just diverted all the money into other failures which became money vacuums. It makes me concerned because one day, there may come a time to where they run out of money and then this game goes into maintenance mode.

[Takamorisan]

They're basically going down the same path that Trion Worlds did: They made a hit (Rift) and then just diverted all the money into other failures which became money vacuums. It makes me concerned because one day, there may come a time to where they run out of money and then this game goes into maintenance mode.

Currently what makes me concerned the guy who gonna replace Matsuda its another NFTard so business direction gonna be probably all the same.

[caffe_macchiato]

Idk I'm pretty happy with the direction relic is going. Easy catch up that I can dump my tombs into and grind any way I want instead of some specific method and location. Is it boring? Sure, but I'll take this any day of the week over the tedium that became literally every other relic to date.

Fully agreed. Let's face it, we all have a lot on our plate these days. I myself have been enjoying other games. Why should we be forced to grind some useless trinkets? I just want to get my shit and leave so I can resume playing my other games. You know what else forces you to play? World of Warcraft. We don't want to be like that game, do we? Didn't think so. Being forced to play video games is tantamount to modern-day slavery.

So thank you, Yoshida, for letting us play other games. We all thank you. My Steam library thanks you.

[Supersnow845]

Fully agreed. Let's face it, we all have a lot on our plate these days. I myself have been enjoying other games. Why should we be forced to grind some useless trinkets? I just want to get my shit and leave so I can resume playing my other games. You know what else forces you to play? World of Warcraft. We don't want to be like that game, do we? Didn't think so. Being forced to play video games is tantamount to modern-day slavery.

So thank you, Yoshida, for letting us play other games. We all thank you. My Steam library thanks you.

Have you ever considered if you don’t want to grind that you just shouldn’t do the relics

The relics have always been grinds designed to populate old content the roulettes don’t do a good job of populating, it’s not like completing a relic is mandatory for progression to the next expansion

Just leave them Grindy then people can choose whether to do them or not

[Zanarkand-Ronso]

Nah, 200 floors was too many. 100 is a good number of floors. I don't really have a problem with the casual side ending at 30. It does feel a little short but it's fine.

I dont care about 200 floors, I just want 100.
Maybe they could have just done 10-50 floors for harder content, or make it a separate EX / Savage instance with 100 floors or so. That my idea of how they could have done it.
30 floors...I did that on HoH and just....its over WAY to quick. Making or joining PFs were just miserable, people would either flake: leaving partway through, or just be super sweaty with a boatload of requirements to even get in sometimes and just make it unfun.

-Sigh-
Ah well....I was looking foreword to a Deep Dungeon to. Just something else to do on the side when I catch up on everything else.

I hate to say this but there is almost 100% certainly no "expand later" for Deep dungeon, this is its final state. I don't believe HoH was every revisited by the devs either. Unless there is a bug, this is it. 30 floors like Hoh for story and exp, 70 floors for pre mades.

Take it with a grain of salt but floor 20-30 has some "extreme" mechanics baked into it, this might be neglectable by gear score later, but i've seen skills like Bomb explosion, Magnetism and Swinge one shot players, which is usually unique to 150-200 and 70-100. You are usually in a believe of false security "its just lv 30" when you get clapped. My first 30 run on Rdm has me cast no less then 10 raises.

Just like Heaven on High ( HoH )
Not surprising, which makes the 30 floors even worse :/
But hey, honestly I havent tried it yet...maybe my attitude will change when I play it later.

[sharknado]

The relics have always been grinds designed to populate old content the roulettes don’t do a good job of populating, it’s not like completing a relic is mandatory for progression to the next expansion

More like current content at the time when they were current. And whenever an older instance shows up also unsync option can pop up which isn't for roulette.

IMHO the problem is with the definition. If it's all about cosmetics and not player power then it can be detached from gearing progression and can be slow. If it's attached to ilvl and gearing progression then it can't be slower than said progression or people get angry their relic weapon is useless for a month or two when they have to switch to crafted or EX weapon. The first step of current relics was quick and easy and for some jobs with better stats than a normally available weapon - so people got a lot of them, even for all jobs. In that case, it's rather obvious it will be just an alternative to EX/tome weapon of a given tier.

And like what would be the point to have 25 current alliance raid runs to "charge" the weapon? or 100 runs of level 90 roulettes? For an awesome cosmetic look for main/selected job where Savage would be the only similar alternative it's fine. For relic as a generic progression weapon with somewhat better looks that are used en-mass as a progression item not really.

[Voidedge_Ragna]

Idk I'm pretty happy with the direction relic is going. Easy catch up that I can dump my tombs into and grind any way I want instead of some specific method and location. Is it boring? Sure, but I'll take this any day of the week over the tedium that became literally every other relic to date.

See ... what you describe is the tome weapon ... which we already have. If relic just becomes the new tome weapon get rid of either. We don't need the same thing twice.