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    I enjoy Deep Dungeons, but 30 floors isn't really much for the average player. I think that they should have allowed for at least 20 more before forcing solo play or premade groups. The relic...yeah, I've made my opinions known in other threads. I'll just say that I agree with you and call it good there.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Vahlnir View Post
    I enjoy Deep Dungeons, but 30 floors isn't really much for the average player. I think that they should have allowed for at least 20 more before forcing solo play or premade groups.
    This right here is my issue. Just, WHY!?
    50 would be MUCH better then 30, but just give us 100 floors like Palace of the dead did. What would also be awesome...but I know wont happen is, like Palace, they plan to expand it later.
    Id love to be able to casually have fun with 100 floors instead of only 30
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    Quote Originally Posted by Zanarkand-Ronso View Post
    This right here is my issue. Just, WHY!?
    50 would be MUCH better then 30, but just give us 100 floors like Palace of the dead did. What would also be awesome...but I know wont happen is, like Palace, they plan to expand it later.
    Id love to be able to casually have fun with 100 floors instead of only 30
    Nah, 200 floors was too many. 100 is a good number of floors. I don't really have a problem with the casual side ending at 30. It does feel a little short but it's fine. My problem was just lack of innovation.

    The differences between Eureka Orthos and the other deep dungeons are as follows:
    - It's at level 90
    - It looks different
    - The pomanders all got worse

    That's it. Those are the only real differences.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Zanarkand-Ronso View Post
    This right here is my issue. Just, WHY!?
    50 would be MUCH better then 30, but just give us 100 floors like Palace of the dead did. What would also be awesome...but I know wont happen is, like Palace, they plan to expand it later.
    Id love to be able to casually have fun with 100 floors instead of only 30
    I hate to say this but there is almost 100% certainly no "expand later" for Deep dungeon, this is its final state. I don't believe HoH was every revisited by the devs either. Unless there is a bug, this is it. 30 floors like Hoh for story and exp, 70 floors for pre mades.

    Take it with a grain of salt but floor 20-30 has some "extreme" mechanics baked into it, this might be neglectable by gear score later, but i've seen skills like Bomb explosion, Magnetism and Swinge one shot players, which is usually unique to 150-200 and 70-100. You are usually in a believe of false security "its just lv 30" when you get clapped. My first 30 run on Rdm has me cast no less then 10 raises.

    https://clips.twitch.tv/FlaccidFlirt...aKCWvp7_LWazcP bonus clip to make my point.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Voidedge_Ragna View Post
    I hate to say this but there is almost 100% certainly no "expand later" for Deep dungeon, this is its final state. I don't believe HoH was every revisited by the devs either. Unless there is a bug, this is it. 30 floors like Hoh for story and exp, 70 floors for pre mades.

    Take it with a grain of salt but floor 20-30 has some "extreme" mechanics baked into it, this might be neglectable by gear score later, but i've seen skills like Bomb explosion, Magnetism and Swinge one shot players, which is usually unique to 150-200 and 70-100. You are usually in a believe of false security "its just lv 30" when you get clapped. My first 30 run on Rdm has me cast no less then 10 raises.

    https://clips.twitch.tv/FlaccidFlirt...aKCWvp7_LWazcP bonus clip to make my point.
    Welp. Guess I'll be going in as RDM or SMN.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Callinon View Post
    Nah, 200 floors was too many. 100 is a good number of floors. I don't really have a problem with the casual side ending at 30. It does feel a little short but it's fine.
    I dont care about 200 floors, I just want 100.
    Maybe they could have just done 10-50 floors for harder content, or make it a separate EX / Savage instance with 100 floors or so. That my idea of how they could have done it.
    30 floors...I did that on HoH and just....its over WAY to quick. Making or joining PFs were just miserable, people would either flake: leaving partway through, or just be super sweaty with a boatload of requirements to even get in sometimes and just make it unfun.

    -Sigh-
    Ah well....I was looking foreword to a Deep Dungeon to. Just something else to do on the side when I catch up on everything else.



    Quote Originally Posted by Voidedge_Ragna View Post
    I hate to say this but there is almost 100% certainly no "expand later" for Deep dungeon, this is its final state. I don't believe HoH was every revisited by the devs either. Unless there is a bug, this is it. 30 floors like Hoh for story and exp, 70 floors for pre mades.

    Take it with a grain of salt but floor 20-30 has some "extreme" mechanics baked into it, this might be neglectable by gear score later, but i've seen skills like Bomb explosion, Magnetism and Swinge one shot players, which is usually unique to 150-200 and 70-100. You are usually in a believe of false security "its just lv 30" when you get clapped. My first 30 run on Rdm has me cast no less then 10 raises.
    Just like Heaven on High ( HoH )
    Not surprising, which makes the 30 floors even worse :/
    But hey, honestly I havent tried it yet...maybe my attitude will change when I play it later.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Vahlnir View Post
    I enjoy Deep Dungeons, but 30 floors isn't really much for the average player. I think that they should have allowed for at least 20 more before forcing solo play or premade groups. The relic...yeah, I've made my opinions known in other threads. I'll just say that I agree with you and call it good there.
    I havent really done HoH really so im not sure how many floors it has, but i was suprised that i was done with it in like an hour, now im already at the point where its "do 21-30 on repeat for glam weapons" or try myself solo past 30.

    Quote Originally Posted by Bsrking5 View Post
    Um what? I couldn't believe it. A second, hey just give me ummm... 1500 tombstones. Did they hire blizzard devs to do this or something?
    i wonder if we could ever criticize the game without trying to take shot at others, especially cause blizzard likes to give their "special weapons" really fun or grindy way to get them. Like the artifact weapons in legion, fun questline to unlock them - then various grind or minigames or questlines to unlock the skins. Well... outside of hunter which really had a "just hand me some gold for this skin" option lol
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