"Just wait until *insert next patch*!"

[Rehayem]

^ This. It's fine for a game to want to cater to a more casual audience, but why does it have to be so extreme? The game shouldn't be made exclusively for those who log in once every 2 or 4 months for new patches, play for a few days, and then quit again. There should be content and systems in the game for those who want to stick around too. People here seem to assume that anyone who wants to play more than once every four months wants the other extreme and is looking for a WoW-tier grind, but why can't we arrive at somewhere in the middle?

It doesn't help that Yoshi-P himself is encouraging people to play other games. I was actually shocked, and it's usually a bad sign when a producer of a game is encouraging you to play other games. In most cases developers will try to keep you occupied with their game so they can get the revenue from it, but this? It's gonna bite back really hard.

[VelKallor]

It doesn't help that Yoshi-P himself is encouraging people to play other games. I was actually shocked, and it's usually a bad sign when a producer of a game is encouraging you to play other games

Except he has been saying this for years. Long before Endwalker. It isnt a bad sign at all, frankly, I applaud his stance. Burnout is a thing you know.

[MonteCristo]

Except he has been saying this for years. Long before Endwalker. It isnt a bad sign at all, frankly, I applaud his stance. Burnout is a thing you know.

15 mins for endgame content is pretty bad no matter how u slice it. Its grim for anyone that wants to remain an active player that isnt interested in repeating old content. Especially when these patch cycles arent getting any shorter.

[Liam_Harper]

It doesn't help that Yoshi-P himself is encouraging people to play other games. I was actually shocked, and it's usually a bad sign when a producer of a game is encouraging you to play other games. In most cases developers will try to keep you occupied with their game so they can get the revenue from it, but this? It's gonna bite back really hard.

You have to be very confident in your game to tell players to go and try other games too in their free time and I think that confidence is misplaced.

Yoshida seems convinced that players will fill up on fast food content for a few weeks, go find another game to entertain them for the following downtime, then come rushing back excitedly when the next patch comes out. What will really happen is players will try other games, find some really good ones they can invest their time into ...and laugh at the idea of dropping their new hobby for PotD reskins, 5 minutes a day doing lopporit chores and more tome farm. It's ridiculous when you think about it, this is the content they expect will drag players back from their other games they were encouraged to try. Endwalkers initial success really went to their head.

Quitting FF14 was the best decision I made. I'm still here checking the forums for my daily entertainment, but I've been having a blast with other games and I wouldn't touch 6.35 with a ten foot pole.

[EliaStormblade]

You have to be very confident in your game to tell players to go and try other games too in their free time and I think that confidence is misplaced.

Yoshida seems convinced that players will fill up on fast food content for a few weeks, go find another game to entertain them for the following downtime, then come rushing back excitedly when the next patch comes out. What will really happen is players will try other games, find some really good ones they can invest their time into ...and laugh at the idea of dropping their new hobby for PotD reskins, 5 minutes a day doing lopporit chores and more tome farm. It's ridiculous when you think about it, this is the content they expect will drag players back from their other games they were encouraged to try. Endwalkers initial success really went to their head.

Quitting FF14 was the best decision I made. I'm still here checking the forums for my daily entertainment, but I've been having a blast with other games and I wouldn't touch 6.35 with a ten foot pole.

Uh, well, sure. That's a fancy way of putting it, but I'm fairly sure Endwalker has retained players better than any expansion before.

[Ath192]

You have to be very confident in your game to tell players to go and try other games too in their free time and I think that confidence is misplaced.

Yoshida seems convinced that players will fill up on fast food content for a few weeks, go find another game to entertain them for the following downtime, then come rushing back excitedly when the next patch comes out. What will really happen is players will try other games, find some really good ones they can invest their time into ...and laugh at the idea of dropping their new hobby for PotD reskins, 5 minutes a day doing lopporit chores and more tome farm. It's ridiculous when you think about it, this is the content they expect will drag players back from their other games they were encouraged to try. Endwalkers initial success really went to their head.

Quitting FF14 was the best decision I made. I'm still here checking the forums for my daily entertainment, but I've been having a blast with other games and I wouldn't touch 6.35 with a ten foot pole.

This right here. And quite frankly the reputational damage the game will suffer from being this dull and casual is that it's an MMO for babies. FFXIV, the MMO for babies and weebs. We are already thought as one of these elements, but the other is about to spread like wildfire from people who have become disillusioned and migrate to other games.

The boat is hitting an iceberg, and people are still thinking the ship can't sink but it can. Honestly right now, as it tries to set itself up for another 10 years, should be a moment of urgency, not of coasting.

[MonteCristo]

This right here. And quite frankly the reputational damage the game will suffer from being this dull and casual is that it's an MMO for babies. FFXIV, the MMO for babies and weebs. We are already thought as one of these elements, but the other is about to spread like wildfire from people who have become disillusioned and migrate to other games.

The boat is hitting an iceberg, and people are still thinking the ship can't sink but it can. Honestly right now, as it tries to set itself up for another 10 years, should be a moment of urgency, not of coasting.

This this this this this this this this THIS!!!!

[SieyaM]

This right here. And quite frankly the reputational damage the game will suffer from being this dull and casual is that it's an MMO for babies. FFXIV, the MMO for babies and weebs. We are already thought as one of these elements, but the other is about to spread like wildfire from people who have become disillusioned and migrate to other games.

The boat is hitting an iceberg, and people are still thinking the ship can't sink but it can. Honestly right now, as it tries to set itself up for another 10 years, should be a moment of urgency, not of coasting.

This is the only other post I can find from you in this thread, if there is a suggestion in here you are going to have to spell it out to me because I dont see it.

[Ath192]

This is the only other post I can find from you in this thread, if there is a suggestion in here you are going to have to spell it out to me because I dont see it.

The suggestion in this post is implicit, don't copy and paste ad infinitum. And several people supporting they feel the devs are behaving this way. How can you not get it?

Since its about the framework of the game design in general that's as specific as it's going to get, if you want suggestions on specific things players have requested look around.

[Boblawblah]

You have to be very confident in your game to tell players to go and try other games too in their free time and I think that confidence is misplaced.

Yoshida seems convinced that players will fill up on fast food content for a few weeks, go find another game to entertain them for the following downtime, then come rushing back excitedly when the next patch comes out. What will really happen is players will try other games, find some really good ones they can invest their time into ...and laugh at the idea of dropping their new hobby for PotD reskins, 5 minutes a day doing lopporit chores and more tome farm. It's ridiculous when you think about it, this is the content they expect will drag players back from their other games they were encouraged to try. Endwalkers initial success really went to their head.

Quitting FF14 was the best decision I made. I'm still here checking the forums for my daily entertainment, but I've been having a blast with other games and I wouldn't touch 6.35 with a ten foot pole.

So you're paying a monthly sub, and logging in every once in a while just to have access to these forums? But you've 'quit'? Wow, you're certainly sticking it to SE with that. I..wow.