"Just wait until *insert next patch*!"

[BreyVoreas93]

No offence but instead of starting the 6435th whining thread about the "lackluster patches", maybe y'all should post about what kind of content you'd enjoy. Give them suggestions! Maybe SE won't read them but crying doesn't help much, lol.

You really think they listen? Take a look at this company over the last several years, it’s literally their game plan…not listening to fans.

[Zanarkand-Ronso]

You really think they listen? Take a look at this company over the last several years, it’s literally their game plan…not listening to fans.

So then whats the point of making threads and posts whining?
If making posts and threads with constructive criticism: offering 'realistic' ideas that could help improve things doesnt do anything....then what does complaining and venting accomplish?

[Jeeqbit]

People are not saying “wait until 6.35”. They are saying that 6.3, 6.31, 6.35, 6.38 are part of the same major patch and to judge all of their content together as a whole.

You really think they listen? Take a look at this company over the last several years, it’s literally their game plan…not listening to fans.

To be fair, there are a lot more players now than there used to be. And all those players joined in different expansions and liked different expansions’ content best. So they all have different opinions. No matter who SE listens to, they can’t win. If they satisfy 33%, the other two 33% with a different two opinions are upset. SE has to make a decision ultimately.

[Valkyrie_Lenneth]

People are not saying “wait until 6.35”. They are saying that 6.3, 6.31, 6.35, 6.38 are part of the same major patch and to judge all of their content together as a whole.

To be fair, there are a lot more players now than there used to be. And all those players joined in different expansions and liked different expansions’ content best. So they all have different opinions. No matter who SE listens to, they can’t win. If they satisfy 33%, the other two 33% with a different two opinions are upset. SE has to make a decision ultimately.

To say they don't listen is silly.



We have coffers now instead of random drops.



Savage delayed during normal release patches instead of only on expansion releases (something I didn't want changed actually).



We have had a ton of feedback taken into account for changes made in game.

[Voidedge_Ragna]

To be fair, there are a lot more players now than there used to be. And all those players joined in different expansions and liked different expansions’ content best. So they all have different opinions. No matter who SE listens to, they can’t win. If they satisfy 33%, the other two 33% with a different two opinions are upset. SE has to make a decision ultimately.

This is true, but why cant there be a grind right now, We had Diadem, Eureka, Bozja and we able to bash out heads against it for months if we wanted to, its a easy fix to keep the "grind" community happy. To fully scratch that side of the content feels off. I'm not saying add mandatory grinds, but it should be offered. I greatly enjoyed Bozja and got every single achievement in it, EW has no such things. we got an "variant dungeon" that will take you 2-3hours to get your mount and bail, the ex version has to be done 25 times to get a reskin mount, that's a treadmill not even I'm willing to do.

Skipping the adventure map was imo a really bad move, that map greatly helped the content drought. You cant just take away one thing and tell them "yea no, we do island sanctuary, you will have 1 more BI-WEEKLY that you will cap out in 2 weeks"

I am not saying relic has to be the grind either, just add something I can bite into. I have done the 2000 mentor roulettes for a mount before, i enjoy coming home from work and do some mindless grind sometimes if anyone thinks less of that so be it.

[EliaStormblade]

This is true, but why cant there be a grind right now, We had Diadem, Eureka, Bozja and we able to bash out heads against it for months if we wanted to, its a easy fix to keep the "grind" community happy. To fully scratch that side of the content feels off. I'm not saying add mandatory grinds, but it should be offered. I greatly enjoyed Bozja and got every single achievement in it, EW has no such things. we got an "variant dungeon" that will take you 2-3hours to get your mount and bail, the ex version has to be done 25 times to get a reskin mount, that's a treadmill not even I'm willing to do.

Skipping the adventure map was imo a really bad move, that map greatly helped the content drought. You cant just take away one thing and tell them "yea no, we do island sanctuary, you will have 1 more BI-WEEKLY that you will cap out in 2 weeks"

I am not saying relic has to be the grind either, just add something I can bite into. I have done the 2000 mentor roulettes for a mount before, i enjoy coming home from work and do some mindless grind sometimes if anyone thinks less of that so be it.

I think it just has to do with them not wanting to give you something like "clear nier 12 times" or something. And they don't have a Bozja to outsource it to now because they dedicated that time to Island Sanctuaries. Whatever your opinion is on that content, it's pretty clear to me (at least) that IS are the Bozja/Eureka stand-in, and I guess they didn't think of a way they could tie the relic activities into that in a way that was actually engaging, lol.

[Voidedge_Ragna]

I think it just has to do with them not wanting to give you something like "clear nier 12 times" or something. And they don't have a Bozja to outsource it to now because they dedicated that time to Island Sanctuaries. Whatever your opinion is on that content, it's pretty clear to me (at least) that IS are the Bozja/Eureka stand-in, and I guess they didn't think of a way they could tie the relic activities into that in a way that was actually engaging, lol.

At no point did i ask for "repeat ally 12 times" Eureka and Bozja both had a story attached to it, as well as mixed battles, Bozja offered basically bite sized trial fights. Both Eureka and Bozja used a lost item buff system which had you mix and match possible buffs to optimize your role, or turn your role into an entirely different one.

I also never asked for it to be attached to relic whatsoever, i simply said i as a grind player feel kinda shafted the adventure maps got scratched.
If you enjoy the bi-weekly 10min activity on your island, more power to you, you got what you wanted, so why cant the grinding community have something they want?

[EliaStormblade]

At no point did i ask for "repeat ally 12 times" Eureka and Bozja both had a story attached to it, as well as mixed battles, Bozja offered basically bite sized trial fights. Both Eureka and Bozja used a lost item buff system which had you mix and match possible buffs to optimize your role, or turn your role into an entirely different one.

I also never asked for it to be attached to relic whatsoever, i simply said i as a grind player feel kinda shafted the adventure maps got scratched.
If you enjoy the bi-weekly 10min activity on your island, more power to you, you got what you wanted, so why cant the grinding community have something they want?

Very aggro over things I never said. You're free to re-read my comment where I made no objective statement on what form of content or source of relic acquisition was superior or inferior.

[Striker44]

You really think they listen? Take a look at this company over the last several years, it’s literally their game plan…not listening to fans.

And yet, at the same time the negative echo chamber complains about how much of their game is fan-service...face it, some people here just want to complain. They're just bitter people who can't stand the thought that a lot of other people are still having a ton of fun playing the game.

Frankly, I'm more than content with the patches we've had in EW, and as a very casual player, I'm still in the process of finishing the last few Variant paths, with Criterion and IS still upcoming, alongside the old Sightseeing logs, leveling crafting + gathering profs, getting my last ARR relic weapon (NIN), and so on.

I mean, you have the OP here complaining that the newest Deep Dungeon is a...Deep Dungeon...and then pointing out and immediately dismissing that it has new mechanics. SE doesn't listen much to the furious few on the forums because they gather data from the game itself, and it reveals how out-of-touch those forum warriors are with the actual playerbase at large.