"Just wait until *insert next patch*!"

[Rolder50]

..during a small 2 hr window as the rest of OCE is dead.

Which is why i went back to JP.

See you were stating that Bozja and Eureka in general were dead. But it's actually just OCE that's dead.

[VelKallor]

Anecdotal means presenting your personal experiences as fact not me accusing you of lying, the lucky surveys constantly show materia is stable in lulls and growing in active patch times

Kujata 243,308

as opposed to

Bismarck 52,282
Ravana 63,729
Sephirot 70,879
Sophia 79,431
Zurvan 45,940

SE had been banking on SEA moving over..but as their ping is worse to OCE than it is to JP...they didnt. And they wont. Very few moved their mains over to OCE................and it shows

[Supersnow845]

Kujata 243,308

as opposed to

Bismarck 52,282
Ravana 63,729
Sephirot 70,879
Sophia 79,431
Zurvan 45,940

SE had been banking on SEA moving over..but as their ping is worse to OCE than it is to JP...they didnt. And they wont. Very few moved their mains over to OCE................and it shows

No wonder people don’t like long relic steps, they don’t have time to do relics around spending time constantly missing the point on the forums

[DixieBellOCE]

https://www.kotaku.com.au/2023/01/ff...s-one-year-on/



I am on Kujata and I am seeing people coming back from OCE every single day. You may call it anecdotal, I was on Zurvan and Ravana...so yes I do know.

People refused to leave their servers, their houses, their FCs, their statics, their friends. Until such time as SE can get SEA aboard, can arrange regional data centre travel, OCE will remain isolated..with all the problems that come with it.

I can confirm that people are leaving OCE constantly, even on NA servers there are refugee's returning at a steady rate.
On visits to my old FC on Ravana, nearly every single member of the FC is burned out or has taken long breaks from the game.

I still jump on to play my alt now and then, the ping is nice, but the wait times and lack of players actually doing something other than afking in a town hub, is enough to remind me to never transfer my main back to Materia.

For any proof, the Census data was release 3 days ago.


Materia is losing more players than it is gaining. Full stop, there is no argument for it.

The question has to be asked time and time again, At what point will Materia get data center travel. Without it, it is not worth the time investment playing there.

[AwesomeJr44]

No wonder people don’t like long relic steps, they don’t have time to do relics around spending time constantly missing the point on the forums

You sir, are based.

[IkaraGreydancer]

Except eureka and Bozja aren’t even close to dead right now and are more active than both criterion and any of the old deep dungeons

The endless horizontal progression and monetary opportunities in them both keeps them running well, they are doing better than any content in the roulettes that’s not crystal tower or prae

I'd be willing to bet if Eureka had options to gain the relic outside of the zone most wouldn't touch that zone today. Bozja had a high uptick because of the easy xp gain from it. Both are designed around burning time so ofc they're gonna survive longer than content that isn't designed around that.

Oh yeah neither Eureka nor Boz are endless

[Rilifane]

I have to laugh at comments like these. gotcha moments? He said he quit the game and it's been the best decision he ever made. That 's not simply a "i haven't played for the last week and I'm loving it", it implies a long term "life has been great without FFXIV!!"

I'm one of those dreaded 'sub for a month, play the content, and stop subbing for 5 months' players. do you know WHY I stop subbing? Because I have my fun, and move on when I STOP HAVING FUN. That's why I find these "I QUIT" (no they haven't) posts so silly. If you're so desperate to be rid of the game, just STOP PLAYING. Why on earth would I pay for something for months while I despise it? Why would YOU?

I suppose it depends on what you consider quitting but either way that's a lot of assumptions you make and treating the conclusions you came to as facts.

For me, someone quit when they are done with a game mentally. That doesn't mean that that they have to uninstall it in a rage or spend x years without touching it or even 3 days of sub remaining contests it.
And there are several reasons why someone might still log in:
1) maybe they're FC leader and want to know their FC in good hands instead of just suddenly never logging in again and dumping it on someone randomly. But things like the person over currently being busy or internal discussions about to go forward can delay that so they'll take care of it for a bit longer
2) maybe they have a static and don't want them to have to look for a replacement all of the sudden, especially late into the tier like right now, so they'll stay to finish the remaining reclears and give time to find a suitable replacement
3) maybe they had a 3months/ 6 months sub and what's done is done, can't write SE an email saying "please delete all the remaining game time or someone on the forum will say didn't ACKSHUALLY quit"
4) maybe they are part of a project they want to finish before quitting, e.g. redesigning the FC house

You could in theory say "Well, just don't do any of these!" but then again, why should someone go about things in a very specific way that goes against their own ethos? The personal decision to get everything in order doesn't take away from the decision to quit something.

In my case, 2 and 3 apply.
I'm still logging in once per week to do one of the last p8s reclears with my static and obviously my sub is still running simply because I already paid for a service in advance that exceeds the time I actually want to use said service. Nothing to be done about, it doesn't bother me nor does it change anything about my decision.
But I've quit. I've emptied my retainers, gave people tenant rights to plunder my house to their heart's content, demolished my apartment and FC room, I'll dump my gil into the FC chest once I vendored the remaining furniture. It's not taking a break like I did during ARR, HW and SB, I know that better than a stranger on the forum. I simply lost all interest in it and I'm just "doing my duty" a few more times because I like the people in my static and dislike suddenly poofing, moreso since my static is for people with anxiety and that struggle to connect with others ingame, so I'd rather give them the option to finish the tier and then look for someone else in peace for the next tier.
And yes, it was a good decision. I know that without having to spend years absent from a game. I still occasionally check the forum when on a train etc. and some people here are interesting to have discussions with but I'll not weep in sorrow when I can't do that anymore fairly soon.

[Supersnow845]

I can confirm that people are leaving OCE constantly, even on NA servers there are refugee's returning at a steady rate.
On visits to my old FC on Ravana, nearly every single member of the FC is burned out or has taken long breaks from the game.

I still jump on to play my alt now and then, the ping is nice, but the wait times and lack of players actually doing something other than afking in a town hub, is enough to remind me to never transfer my main back to Materia.

For any proof, the Census data was release 3 days ago.


Materia is losing more players than it is gaining. Full stop, there is no argument for it.

The question has to be asked time and time again, At what point will Materia get data center travel. Without it, it is not worth the time investment playing there.

Wow materia lost what 500 people and most of those 500 people went on pause, almost nobody actually left materia in those statistics and even more people moved in,, wanna see how many people mana lost in the same time frame, this is a massive mid patch content drought, if any servers didn’t lose people I’d be absolutely shocked

Stable in a content drought means slight reduction, these stats aren’t saying what you think they are saying

[Moonlite]

I'd be willing to bet if Eureka had options to gain the relic outside of the zone most wouldn't touch that zone today. Bozja had a high uptick because of the easy xp gain from it. Both are designed around burning time so ofc they're gonna survive longer than content that isn't designed around that.

Oh yeah neither Eureka nor Boz are endless

Eureka is helped a bit by rare drops. Think emotes, TT cards, and minions. SE just needs to better itemize/reward some stuff. People run the same trial if unlucky 99 times. If old content got new drops people would do it. Maybe they should hire the cash shop people and add more items to the game.

[VelKallor]

Wow materia lost what 500 people and most of those 500 people went on pause, almost nobody actually left materia in those statics and even more people moved in,, wanna see how many people mana lost in the same time frame, this is a massive mid patch content drought, if any servers didn’t lose people I’d be absolutely shocked

Mana datacentre has access to: all JP worlds across the entire datacentre.

OCE has access to: NONE. There is no world travel outside of OCE. Not to EU JP or NA, so it is isolated and totally cut off from everyone else. Concomitant to that fact, OCE cant afford to lose ANYONE,

The fact is with the garbage MB, no crafters, a falling population and the resultant inability of players to enjoy content in a timely manner, people are LEAVING. I had to wait 3 hours to do Tower of Zot. THREE HOURS as there was no one online and I was told "theres a two hour window to do those" - if I cant play on a world that can provide a healthy playerbase to do content when I WANT TO, then there is no need for me to be there.

I dont have that issue on Kujata.

Stable in a content drought means slight reduction, these stats aren’t saying what you think they are saying

Deny it all you like. I will restate what I said earlier, the people on Materia are ALTS, NOT mains. ALTS. The mains are back on their home worlds because SE hasnt provided any kind of real incentive for them to abandon their communities and FCs and houses, which they wont do for obvious reasons.

Individual worlds and small losses dont matter when you can world travel to a dozen others that have massive populations to draw from for crossworld gameplay.

As it is, Materia is unsustainable in the long term. It is bleeding players..the ONLY solution at this stage is to connect them to either NA / EU...or establish another server in Singapore / Malaysia to enable the SEA population to play.

The marketboards still have prices that would make most people recoil..because you have a very small pool of max level crafters.

As it is now, handwave all you like, players that went to OCE are moving BACK to JP. Call it "anecdotal" and dismiss it all you want...doesnt change the facts.