"Just wait until *insert next patch*!"

[Thaciscokidd]

...how do you know they did this?

Intro to the FF XIV team

Quote from an interview with Yoshi P

“And we knew right off the bat that it was going to be a very difficult thing. [The opportunity came] at a point in time when we were working on Final Fantasy XIV to grow the game. And understanding that at the same time, to also create another game, that’s going to be very challenging. What we did was prioritized Final Fantasy XIV and made sure that we could grow it to a point that we were satisfied. And that’s why for so long, while XVI development was happening, it was happening with a very small team because we wanted to finish on XIV until we got to the point we wanted to get to.

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CBU breakdown

Creative Business Unit I is led by Yoshinori Kitase, who was the head of Business Division 1 and focuses on Final Fantasy single-player titles, spin-offs, SaGa and Kingdom Hearts. The department comprises the former Business Division 1 (Mainline single-player Final Fantasy such as Final Fantasy XIII and Final Fantasy VII Remake), Business Division 3 (Kingdom Hearts, Final Fantasy spin-offs, The World Ends with You, SaGa series), and Business Division 4 (Final Fantasy spin-offs produced with external companies, e.g., Dissidia Final Fantasy NT, Theatrhythm Final Fantasy, Final Fantasy Record Keeper).

Creative Business Unit II is led by Yuu Miyake, who was the head of Business Division 6 and focuses on the Dragon Quest, Nier and Bravely series, as well as arcade games. The department comprises the former Business Division 6 (Dragon Quest series, Nier series), Business Division 7 (Lord of Vermilion, Gunslinger Stratos) and Business Division 11 aka "Team Asano" (Bravely series, Octopath Traveler series).

Creative Business Unit III is led by Naoki Yoshida, who was the head of Business Division 5 and focused primarily on MMORPGs, transitioning in 2020 to the single player Final Fantasy XVI. It mainly comprises the former Business Division 5 (Final Fantasy XI, Final Fantasy XIV, Dragon Quest Builders series).

Creative Business Unit IV is led by Hirokazu Nishikado and focuses on the Mana series, along with co-development and production of remasters and ports. It comprises the former Business Division 8 (Mana series, along with remasters and ports of different franchises), Business Division 9 (Schoolgirl Strikers, Grimms Notes), and Business Division 10 (Million Arthur series, Chaos Rings series). Also contains Mobile and Browser game team.

[magitekLuna]

So 6.35 is here and we got:
- A relic 'grind' that is literally identical to the last step.
- Beast tri- I mean tribal qu- I mean daily chores.
- A copy pasted PotD that despite having some new mechanics is the exact same thing we've had for years.

When I said that 6.25 was a bad patch, people told me to wait until 6.3. When 6.3 was a bad patch, people told me to just wait until 6.35. Well, 6.35 is here.

So when is it acceptable to say that we've been getting multiple bad patches in a row?

Never? Well alright then, guess I'll just keep waiting until *insert next patch here* then.

if you ask me all of 6.x so far WAS BAD patch. thing is the fan boys will never accept it. its a great game for new players that want shared world game over an mmo but for thje people that playing for more that one expansion there mostly nothing .
sad but as long as yoshi run this game this is how it be

[MintnHoney]

It's about a month since you sub last activated. I'm not sure if I would call someone stopping for a month qualifying as "quitting" the game though. After all I do that all the time (that's how I know the 1 month limit thing), but I never claim I quit the game

I know there's been quite a few posts since this one in particular, but I have to ask: what the hell are you on about?

Edit: Ah, wait, I think I get it now. Good for you for not quitting the game, I guess?

[Boblawblah]

I know there's been quite a few posts since this one in particular, but I have to ask: what the hell are you on about?

If you read those posts, you'd see they're responding to someone who said "I'm so glad I quit FFXIV" and yet, they haven't really quit if they're still here, because you have to sub and log in to the game every 14 days to post here.

[MintnHoney]

If you read those posts, you'd see they're responding to someone who said "I'm so glad I quit FFXIV" and yet, they haven't really quit if they're still here, because you have to sub and be active to post here.

And yet, if someone recently quits, they still retain the ability to post until such right is taken away due to having not logged in for a period of time. So if, in fact, he did quit, and he's still within a certain time frame of his most recent log in, he'd still be able to post.
It does not render his quitting invalid (though for how long remains to be seen, and even if it's not "forever" still doesn't render the loss of interest as invalidated), although I guess it's probably as good of a "gotcha" moment as you're going to get on him, if that's all you're looking for. I suppose it's all about the little victories when there's not much else to strive for in this social mmo experience called Final Fantasy XIV.

[R041]

Intro to the FF XIV team
Quote from an interview with Yoshi P
Another article

Yoshi literally admits that they pushed to get XIV into a semi-maintenance mode, so that they could go work on XVI. They wanted XIV to be in a stable spot before moving on.

I mean they're coming back obviously, but we can definitely feel how it's impacted the evolution of XIV these past 4 years. Or the lack of it.

Part of my fear stems from them even being okay with this, because if this is a thing that they just do, then what's to stop them from continuing to work on other main-lines or larger side projects while neglecting XIV and just giving us the B team for the next 10 years.

[raelgun]

And your source for this is.....?



So, I ask this again, what would NOT make this a "shallow patch"? Has to be the third time Ive asked and so far not one reply.

You must be blind or in denial, in this thread and others people have given suggestions, just you and others don't like them.

[IkaraGreydancer]

So let me get this right. People hate the state of xiv rn. They complain everyday to no avail (according to them). They claim the devs aren't listening yet they still continue to complain despite (according to them) being ignored. This means they are wasting their time per their own admittance. Others step in n try to explain the maybe it's best you leave if you're not getting what you want to send a message. These people are called gatekeepers n white knights (wrongfully mind you). They continue to complain and the cycle continues. They continue to pay to be upset n ignore the fact they are indeed funding what they don't like (which no sane human would do). Even going so far as to a pay for a game they aren't playing just to talk in the forums which as we said earlier amounts to a waste of time. So they're paying to waste their time once again...

Tell me...how tf do yall justify that? Cause that makes no sense to me and is why some people clown on you guys.


(I'll say it again from a previous thread. Money makes companies listen far more than words. If words aren't working then next step is obvious...well I guess not so obvious here.)

[raelgun]

So let me get this right. People hate the state of xiv rn. They complain everyday to no avail (according to them). They claim the devs aren't listening yet they still continue to complain despite (according to them) being ignored. This means they are wasting their time per their own admittance. Others step in n try to explain the maybe it's best you leave if you're not getting what you want to send a message. These people are called gatekeepers n white knights (wrongfully mind you). They continue to complain and the cycle continues. They continue to pay to be upset n ignore the fact they are indeed funding what they don't like (which no sane human would do). Even going so far as to a pay for a game they aren't playing just to talk in the forums which as we said earlier amounts to a waste of time. So they're paying to waste their time once again...

Tell me...how tf do yall justify that? Cause that makes no sense to me and is why some people clown on you guys.


(I'll say it again from a previous thread. Money makes companies listen far more than words. If words aren't working then next step is obvious...well I guess not so obvious here.)

assuming you started in 2019, then you are a new player compared to me.

So listen, vast amount of types of players complained and complained, just like you are describing and they actually led to some consideration and changes to the game.

So of these complainers got the game to where it is - so we can agree complaining can lead to change in the game, to me a lot of of this was for the worse for the game.

Some of us or rather many are not happy so we are voicing a complaint to get things changed because its actually happened in the past.

If you are new to the game, then you would of entered into the game whilst the changes already happened and not felt them as much as me and a few others have done.

So tell me this, to those that complained years ago and got their wishes implemented in some way, what do you say to that?

[R041]

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What makes you think they don't complain enough to eventually quit? People that are passionate about something they've been a part of for a very long time are likely to be more vocal. Same thing happened with WoW.

I'm not saying they're ALL going to quit obviously. But I'm bored enough to let my other 2 alt accounts lapse. Might even reduce my Retainers and Account Type to just let it sit and hold onto the house. And I know my gf doesn't want to play anymore but we share a house, so her sub is going to lapse too.