"Just wait until *insert next patch*!"

[raelgun]

I remember one time while working, I overheard my boss tell this one girl who was a compulsive complainer that he didn't want her in his office unless she had suggestions on how to improve whatever it was she was crying about. He also proceeded to tell her that if she was unhappy, she knows exactly where the door is.

You see, when you come here and mention the new content while simultaneously reaching for any reason you can find to rip on it, you're not making any suggestions. You're also not making yourself sound reasonable and open for conversation. All you are doing it whining. And in this echo chamber, you're doing it to farm likes and gather together a mob with the same mindset as you. In these cases, you can best believe I am going to echo exactly what my boss said to that girl, and tell you to just unsub. You contribute exactly zero of anything of benefit to the forum, and to the game. If you actively choose to not be part of the solution, you are part of the problem.

You bring in an air of negativity that implies it really doesn't matter what the dev team does. You will find something to complain about. If the hairstyle is short, it's another short hairstyle. If it's long, it clips or is another feminine hairdo. If the relic steps are extensive and uses FATEs, "OMG FATES! I don't even do those!" If it just uses tomestones, then it isn't grindy enough. If you are someone who simply cannot be pleased, then unsub. You are actively paying your own money to a game you do not support, and paying a dev team you do not like. You're also wasting your own time.

If you have suggestions on how to improve your experience in FFXIV then make them. However, do it without also adding, "Pfft, like they ever listen anyway." If this is how you feel. Unsub. You lot by the very definition of it, are a mob. Just sad in every way conceivable.

People have made suggestions, just the defenders don't like them.

[Payadopa]

this smells of "good vibes only guys no bad talking about the game please just quit already"

aka please dont let the game improve its amazing as it is and it cant be any better everyone criticizing should just quit anyway

yikes

There is a difference between voicing your opinion & being constructive and incessant moaning. We all have our gripes but also parts we like. But some here are only complaining and it just looses all its meaning after a while.

Personally, if I had that bad a time like some people here claim to have I'd have left years ago. lol

[Atelier-Bagur]

...how do you know they did this?

Can somebody actually post a credible source for this statement and not just common speculation?

The only people I know for sure that were transferred to the project were some of the Heavensward writing team, which was stated multiple times in interviews and articles.

Other than that it seems more like they scouted talent outside of SE such as getting some of the Capcom guys for fight design.

[raelgun]

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My point, as it seems to be missed, is that THERE IS content, people choose just not to do it. That is a THEM problem.

Old content from past expansion I bet is what you want to say? People don't wait for new patches to do old content from past expansions

[Ath192]

Can somebody actually post a credible source for this statement and not just common speculation?

The only people I know for sure that were transferred to the project were some of the Heavensward writing team, which was stated multiple times in interviews and articles.

Other than that it seems more like they scouted talent outside of SE such as getting some of the Capcom guys for fight design.

They also pulled the Art director from XIV, and Sokken, and probably less prominent devs they didn't mention but this last one is speculation. Also, if you confirm they pulled the HW team its obvious there's enough crossover here to imply they will borrow whatever they need to. It's common sense, Yoshi and SE need XVI to be a success and SE is obviously resource sharing because as a business they need to minimize costs and maximize value.

Those are mentioned under Core Development team.

https://www.gematsu.com/2023/02/fina...-naoki-yoshida

Actually us complaining about this specifically will only drive them to be more undercover and less willing to share information with us, so I think its more productive to focus on just there not being enough engaging content per patch cycle and that the cycles feel too repetitive.

Variant dungeons failed for a very dumb reason, there was nothing too wrong with the content, its just noone designed appealing rewards to repeat it... That's legit it. Extremely sad because a lot of effort when into that just to flop the last detail, which development wise couldn't have been harder to implement than the whole variant system.... Just some nice looking rewards..... But to the player it's obvious these dictate whether the content is worth doing or not. The rate of players doing it all but confirms it.

[Saraide]

Old content from past expansion I bet is what you want to say? People don't wait for new patches to do old content from past expansions

Yea, doing shadowbringer relics didnt excite me either all that much.

[Atelier-Bagur]

They also pulled the Art director from XIV, and Sokken, and probably less prominent devs they didn't mention but this last one is speculation. Also, if you confirm they pulled the HW team its obvious there's enough crossover here to imply they will borrow whatever they need to. It's common sense, Yoshi and SE need XVI to be a success and SE is obviously resource sharing because as a business they need to minimize costs and maximize value.

Those are mentioned under Core Development team.

https://www.gematsu.com/2023/02/fina...-naoki-yoshida

Ok yeah I doubt the person who directed the art design and music composer was the missing link for why the content and quality output is lax as people claim they could be.

Thats like being mad at the cook for why the waiter's service was piss poor

[Ath192]

Ok yeah I doubt the person who directed the art design and music composer was the missing link for why the content and quality output is lax as people claim they could be.

Thats like being mad at the cook for why the waiter's service was piss poor

Look, You asked for proof from someone elses post and I went out and researched for a bit just to find you other examples of people they pulled, research that you could've done yourself and when I present it to you on a silver platter you just find a way to dismiss it.

I bet the HW writing team could've written a hell of a story and the art director couldve designed a hell of a setting for it take place in but they probably did both of those things for XVI instead. Either way. Talking about the people won't solve the problem and you should practice being more considerate when people cater to your laziness than just waving it away because it doesn't fit your narrative. That's such a selfish attitude.

[Atelier-Bagur]

Look, You asked for proof from someone elses post and I went out and researched for a bit just to find you other examples of people they pulled, research that you could've done yourself and when I present it to you on a silver platter you just find a way to dismiss it.

I bet the HW writing team could've written a hell of a story and the art director couldve designed a hell of a setting for it take place in but they probably did both of those things for XVI instead. Either way. Talking about the people won't solve the problem and you should practice being more considerate when people cater to your laziness than just waving it away because it doesn't fit your narrative. That's such a selfish attitude.

Um excuse me? Where did I started attacking you specifically for providing the source? All I did was respond to what you shared which only reiterated that we lack the evidence to support the claim that FFXIV's quality was suffering due to FFXVI's development.

Nothing more than that. If thats what you took from my post then Im sorry but that wasnt my intention

[Ath192]

Um excuse me? Where did I started attacking you specifically for providing the source? All I did was respond to what you shared which only reiterated that we lack the evidence to support the claim that FFXIV's quality was suffering due to FFXVI's development.

Nothing more than that. If thats what you took from my post then Im sorry but that wasnt my intention

It just seemed like you waved it off like it didn't matter. But I understand it wasn't your intention.

The point I was trying to make was that they are indeed taking people, and quite frankly those people are probably really good key players that have made a difference in XIV. Otherwise, they wouldn't have been taken out for arguably the most important project at SE right now. Whether they are truly the missing links or not I guarantee you that they were whisked away to the big new shiny project because they produce extremely high quality results.

Nobody borrows people that don't make differences for their most important release in years.


I'll give you an example:

How do we know the art director wasn't absent when they conceptualized the art for the Variant dungeon rewards? and so someone else said eh looks fine to me, and they just went ahead with the noir stuff and a mount and now Variant dungeons are dead? We don't know right, but its plausible enough.

Maybe if he was present he would have said, you know that's kinda lack luster why don't we conceptualize some more art assets that you can code into the game so people run these all the time? This is complete speculation, but if true, then variants would've been a lot more succesful and we would have more glams/rewards in game in general.