Design your relic weapon grind

[Vyrerus]

This only works in theory if we have horizontal progression (which we dont).

XI weapons lasted from 75 till abyssea release. The abyssea weapons were superior in every way till SoA and the REMA differentials for situational dps thereafter.

I admire the thought process (being a subbed xi player myself for more than 20 years) but it's way to flawed when weapons of any kind in xiv dont carry the same weight (with bonuses and stats) that they do in xi

They could make them carry the same weight, but early on back in ARR they said that they didn't want to tie people to relics permanently because they like people to have a reason to acquire the other weapons as more than stopgaps.

I just love the FFXI REMA progression. I've only ever finished Relics and Empyreans myself (Haven't taken on a Mythic or Aeonic yet nor those new Voracious Resurgence Dark Relics). But I'm familiar with all the processes, and was more or less just basing this silly theoretical grind off of that.

TomsYoungerBro has the right of it. They don't read the English forum at all, unless it's a gigantic magnum of a thread, and even then, it's more likely to be a community rep or mod making them aware of it and listing it as a data point rather than something they read.

[Elkanah]

Oh no, I get it! And I totally agree. The REMA process really is superior. Both in grind and situational dps. I kinda wosh we had those options lol. I'd like my job to have a one guaranteed, but know that I could also use others in situations that calls for a more tankier build or crit/speed, or magic defense, etc. I'd grind for those without a second thought lol

[Amenara]

At this point I just want SE to stop forgetting variant/criterion dungeons exist and tie the relics to their content they just released. For a timeline I think it should take ~ a month or two for a casual player to get their relic. Let people who play casually have an upgraded relic before the next patch.

[Rolder50]

At this point I just want SE to stop forgetting variant/criterion dungeons exist and tie the relics to their content they just released. For a timeline I think it should take ~ a month or two for a casual player to get their relic. Let people who play casually have an upgraded relic before the next patch.

Tinfoil hat conspiracy theory: Maybe they originally had this step planned to involve Variant dungeons, but the participation numbers weren't promising. So at the last minute they decided to just copy paste the prior step.

[Amenara]

Tinfoil hat conspiracy theory: Maybe they originally had this step planned to involve Variant dungeons, but the participation numbers weren't promising. So at the last minute they decided to just copy paste the prior step.

Would be actually hilarious... No one does variant/criterion dungeons because SE didn't add any rewards or reason to do them. SE uses that as the reason to not add a reward or reason to run variant/criterion dungeons.

[Ath192]

I'll repost here.

Not the best person to ask since I'm not a big grinder, But personally a small book like menu kind of like wondrous tales WITHOUT the RNG element of dungeons/trials/overworld zones to go explore/clear to get the necessary materials would be good. Anywhere from 15-25 sounds good to me, and the story behind why those areas/dungeons has to be tied into some BS about how the materials are special to this zone and why they are needed to make such a powerful relic so I don't feel like they are just sending me out for the hell of it.

However, and this is opinion, to me relics should be lengthy to get because I believe they are special weapons and most normal people should get one for their main because of how hard they are to procure, that's what makes them "relics" or very special weapons. Alt jobs and such should be fine with tomestone/raid gear or someone can just be crazy and put the effort into multiple.

What they shouldn't be imo is something so easy to get that I wonder if manually gathering the mats and crafting a market board set takes longer. Because, those are run of the mill armaments, and not special..



For extra points every time you complete one or a few of these items you can go back to gerolt and embed them into your weapon, like if you have to get a gem for the weapon in X dungeon, imbue with power from X trial, you can go to Gerolt and just have him put it in for a whopping 2 ilvl increase or w/e % correlated to ilvl you have completed with the visual changes on the weapon, like the Hilt gets the gem and now it shows.

Its detail oriented but I think it makes it more immersive to see the changes happening if you're into progression and not bulk hand ins.

[DixieBellOCE]

Step 1: Introduction and Story setting

Step 2: Mild grind (Glowing weapon step)
Variant Dungeons
Normal Raids
Roulettes.

Step 3: Continued Storyline

Step 4: Mild Grind (Glowing weapon step)
Current XPAC fates, Normal Raids, Roulettes.

Step 5: Continued Questline, setup for the finale.
Normal Trial
Extreme Trial with alternate rewards.

Step 6: Finale (Complete Relic)
24 man raid, around the same difficulty as current alliance raids
Alternate Savage version like DRS with a unique mount reward


This way you get a comprehensive story, Renewed focus on older content from the expansion that does not see much play, and a normal and extreme trial and a 24 man alliance raid with savage alternative.

Now you have a relic that allows anyone to complete it, requires a small time investment in each, funnels players into content like Variant/Criterions and Normal Raids.

This not only speeds up queue times for content that casual players enjoy to run, but gives options for better players to do Extreme and Savage versions of each trial/raid.

[sdr26]

I think there is a middle ground they could take with this. A "hard mode" and an "easy mode" option for players. The hard mode version is the grind component for players who want the grind while the easy mode option is just tomestones. I think that's a fair compromise.

[MonteCristo]

I think there is a middle ground they could take with this. A "hard mode" and an "easy mode" option for players. The hard mode version is the grind component for players who want the grind while the easy mode option is just tomestones. I think that's a fair compromise.

I love this idea

[Heavenchild]

What makes a relic a relic?
I guess it's kinda 3 things.

1. The look.
2. The stats. (when the relic belongs to current dlc)
3. We have to do something to get it. The feel of reward. Memorilizable.

So I think it's okay to make the 1st step with tomestones. That's just the base for the relic.
Each further step should guarantee that you have to do something to improve this weapon.

And here is the problem. To make the 2nd step also tomestones does not guarantee that you have to do something relic related.
A lot of people already have enough tomestones to get the 2nd step right after the quest, without doing anything.

Maybe they could have made some kind of books like in ARR. Just NOT such many!!! xD
But, that at least everyone has to do something to improve the relic. :3