Change/Remove Lalafell "Lifter"...

[kevin_satron]

Also, this is "Website/Companion App Feedback & Suggestion" section, so post something that are related to the website.
Repost this in Gameplay > Housing section

[Pyshiro]

Also, this is "Website/Companion App Feedback & Suggestion" section, so post something that are related to the website.
Repost this in Gameplay > Housing section

Yeah unfortunately I realized only afterward posting that this sort of thread was meant for Feedback > Localization when I noticed the sticky'd post and so I mentioned it on the first page. Would have deleted it and moved it but it is what it is.

[JustTheDawg]

I really don't get why Lalafell players are so upset about this? skimming through I saw two main things people are complaining about, so:

1) It's a joke at how short and child-like the Lalafellin race is. that's it. why is this a hot topic? miqo'te got a scratching post furniture item, how is this chair any different? it's a joke furniture item.

2) I get if it's frustrating to not be able to RP with most folk because you chose the short race with child-like attributes and animations, and to that I do agree it's dumb to be left out of regular RP... However, Lalafellins are designed to be very child-like and saying they aren't is just.. wrong? so many players gatekeep 18+ RP centers from Lalafellins for good reason, everything from the slow walk of the race to the race-specific emotes are designed and animated to be very goofy and child-like. Emotes specifically designed with Lalas in mind, eg. /deride, are child-like. I really don't get why this is a hot button topic and why so many lala players are seemingly angry about this? Everything from the race to, hell, the starter race clothes of the Lalafells are designed to be child-like.

[ElysiumDragon]

I really don't get why Lalafell players are so upset about this? skimming through I saw two main things people are complaining about, so:

1) It's a joke at how short and child-like the Lalafellin race is. that's it. why is this a hot topic? miqo'te got a scratching post furniture item, how is this chair any different? it's a joke furniture item.

2) I get if it's frustrating to not be able to RP with most folk because you chose the short race with child-like attributes and animations, and to that I do agree it's dumb to be left out of regular RP... However, Lalafellins are designed to be very child-like and saying they aren't is just.. wrong? so many players gatekeep 18+ RP centers from Lalafellins for good reason, everything from the slow walk of the race to the race-specific emotes are designed and animated to be very goofy and child-like. Emotes specifically designed with Lalas in mind, eg. /deride, are child-like. I really don't get why this is a hot button topic and why so many lala players are seemingly angry about this? Everything from the race to, hell, the starter race clothes of the Lalafells are designed to be child-like.

It's because Lalafell players tend to get harassed because of the above. In some cases, they're not even allowed to roleplay in their own venues (a completely reasonable thing to do) without someone trying to start a harassment campaign against them. It's believed that the infantilising effectively 'promotes' the harassment of Lalafell in-game.

[Tsurayu]

It's because Lalafell players tend to get harassed because of the above. In some cases, they're not even allowed to roleplay in their own venues (a completely reasonable thing to do) without someone trying to start a harassment campaign against them. It's believed that the infantilising effectively 'promotes' the harassment of Lalafell in-game.

Agreed.

That's an example of when a Lalafell player should be upset. When you are told you cannot participate in the same activities as your peers because your appearance or mannerisms make said peers uncomfortable is the point where those said people need to get over themselves and deal with it.

Likewise however, getting upset over something as innocuous as a random piece of furniture because you think it propagates the stereotypes that effect the aforementioned issue is an exercise in missing the point entirely.

Learn to pick your battles. I'm all for Lalafells "fighting" to be treated better even if I do think the accounts of Lalafell hatred are greatly exaggerated in scope - it does happen. However, there is a time and a place. Getting upset over an in-game item is not one of them especially when it makes you out to be a whiny, entitled player - a stereotype you are trying to fight against.

[Pyshiro]

I really don't get why Lalafell players are so upset about this?

Can't tell if this is truly in good faith or not, but I'll explain a little.

1) The fact that it's a joke is only part of the problem. We get it, we love to joke about fates and item descriptions making fun of races lore. There's lots and lots of such things about lalafell getting eaten by whatever, the elven salt lick, etc. Everyone has it in some form or another. But that's where its mainly kept... in descriptors not constantly thrown in a person's face. The scratching post? Not even labeled as specifically a miqote only item. It's just the slightest mention in the description. "Lalafell Lifter" makes it sound as though it is something made for us as an accessibility thing. Which is great! We've been begging for more lalafellin accessibility furniture made with us in mind.

But its been put together in such a way that invites making fun of lalafell characters because of the way it looks. It's not a nice neutral housing item that I can fit in with the others and make it look normal. It looks like an actual toddler high chair, minus the tray. I thought this from a glance. A lot of people did the more they looked at it. And, just like this thread has demonstrated there's many people for a little change, those who like it as is, and those whose only purpose being here is to dunk on our feedback.

2) There's a different between child-like and youthful. It's the same age old meme about dwarves, goblins, halflings, etc. Some of us just like being small because it fits whatever we're going for. Others just want to RP that way. Or we're just going straight up gremlin mode and lalafell fits the best for those type of shenanigans. I'm not going to argue about venues and all that regardless of how dumb I think it is (Like really... it's all fiction regardless, and has been mentioned numerous times they're considered to be just as adult).

The important part is not being demeaned and treated like we're actual toddlers. We get enough harassment as is just for existing. I can't tell you how many times I've simply been standing somewhere or joining a duty and some schmuck throws an absolute fit. We're playing a video game and we're constantly getting accused of being into nasty things like a pedo or whatever. This is just one more thing for us to see on top of everything else, those who love our characters as much as you love yours.

I personally go out of my way to make my lalafell look as adult as possible with the adult options that were given to us. Facial hair, neutral/masculine clothes, etc. Clothes are literally just that: clothes. I'm not going to chide the tiny au'ra girl with the doll face for wearing cute frilly pastel dresses because they want to look youthful, who makes childish little giggles and also throws a temper tantrum stomping the ground emote when she's mad.

[NamiRocket]

There's a different between child-like and youthful.

It's the same age old meme about dwarves, goblins, halflings, etc.

No, it's not. No one has ever said traditional, high fantasy dwarves look like children. Nor goblins. Nor even really the vast majority of possible halfling races. You could maybe make the argument for gnomes, but even that is a stretch.

[ZoeEudestand]

It looks like an actual toddler high chair, minus the tray. I thought this from a glance. A lot of people did the more they looked at it.

No it doesn't and pressing the issue with others leading to what you want to hear doesn't change this, its clear you don't like it... so just don't use it. No matter how hard you try, you cannot attribute all the 'problems' you face to this 1 item, it is simply a high wooden chair so you are at some kind of eye level with the rest of us. That's it.

Anyone that would be calling it a 'kids chair' would have called you a kid regardless and you harping on about it, trying to get others to see it as a kids chair is showing these people live rent free in your head and that you can only see this chair as a kids chair yourself.
The reason people associate lalafel with being child-like isn't because they are short, it isn't because they have a high chair, it's because their mannerisms in emotes and other movements is childlike. You will never escape that because it is what lalafels are and the only reference we have to these mannerisms in the real world... is children.

If you took a person in a vacuum, have them not play lala, put them on the path through the MSQ and then ask them what they thought of lalafels by the end, it's likely they will just think of them as short people like gnomes or whatever.
Once you put that same person into an environment where players are displaying lalafels emotes and mannerisms that are built into the game they will likely think of them more childlike, then you have them running around acting like grumpy kids if they don't get 'headpats', 'sweets' or sitting on laps and the general consensus becomes "lala's are like children".

So you either move on, don't use the chair, ignore the people calling you a kid. Or you dream up that this chair is the final straw.

It's just a chair

[Yukimin]

The people who complain about a digital furniture should grow up.

[SassyAssassin]

How would you feel for instance if the devs added an item called a "Miqo'te Litterbox" for indoor housing?

I wish they add that, Im tired of my kitty friends scratching my backyard. They have to scoop it themselves though, that is the rule.