Change/Remove Lalafell "Lifter"...

[Roisin]

61 pages. Hydaelyn has left us

[QiyoJoyo]

61 pages. Hydaelyn has left us

She left, after VoidsentStatus got here.

[VoidsentStatus]

She left, after VoidsentStatus got here.

Not my fault people got uncomfortable with knowing more of content the developers put in the game and want to waste their energy coming out of the cracks in the wall to come after me instead of talking about the thread topic. I'm just laughing knowing half of their comments they wouldn't say in-game to my face when they could get banned xD Hiding behind forum protection where their wallet can't get hit.

[QiyoJoyo]

I am being absolutely honest with you. I have skipped most of the posts because it makes me shake my head that people get upset about a housing item.

You are provocative, aggressive and arrogant in your texts, you bait the other side just as some bait you.

I am a former roleplayer and passionate lalafell. So far I have been treated negatively TWICE in a dungeon because of my character's race.

In two years of playing not much and probably you will grumble that I don't go savage raiding, don't have a house, only 4 jobs on lvl 90 and have no idea about the game, but in these two years I had mostly positive experiences as a lalafell player and I left the roleplaying community just because, no matter if German or English, roleplayers are scheming, lying and begrudging beings.

Theye are most of the time more toxic then the LoL-Community.

Are Lalafell adults? Yes. Do Lalafell have s.e.x? Probably. Do alot, i mean really alot of people dont want to picture that because the race has childlike feautures which makes many people uncomfortable with the idea of lalafell getting down to buisness? Yeah and its theyr right.

tolerance means, i tolerate something. It does not mean i accept something.

And to be on topic: The f-ing chair is a f-ing gimmik, a joke-item. Its meant in good fun but it seems most lalafell in this thread cant take a joke.

[VoidsentStatus]

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You are provocative -> Yes. Purposely. But I wouldn't necessarily say its for provocation sake, but rather leading the conversation in the direction of a final result instead of useless bickering. That people won't take the same energy they have against players making or doing nsfw lalafell content in private to the source of what causes it/justifies it. People want the moral points of saying they don't like it, without doing anything meaningful afterward. The same way they're quiet about nsfw lalafell content in the game and don't want to respond when I bring it up, they could be about players and this thread wouldn't even be made.

You are aggressive -> Yes. I don't consider this a bad thing when dealing with certain groups of people. Most times I'm more inquisitive to figure out the root cause of the issue, but its emotion and people don't want to negotiate/be understanding, yes, I will turn aggressive and match that energy people toss toward me.

You are arrogant -> Yes. Because I know I'm fighting with things that are objective or already solved arguments irl, against people that only have emotion on a video game. They aren't going to win long-term in an argument but have confidence when attacking people so I'm just going through the motion already knowing the end result. I don't consider these "actual debates" but rather "educating people on the reality of the world they forgot".

No, I won't discard your opinion because of that. Hell, I went around 5-6 months without issues when I first joined this game toxicity wise. Even in the venue scene it depends where you are and how many people you know before you end up finding drama for the first time. I know people can have different experiences, especially in different regions which is why I haven't responded to people that said they didn't personally experience harassment as a lalafell and only to people that seem to pretend they have knowledge of how those situations are or saying they don't exist.

I respect the second to last line. I think that's all most people want. Noone wants to shove it down their throat, force them to see it, but just literal basic respect of what people do in private.

[Yukimin]

61 pages. Hydaelyn has left us

Zodiark keeps spinning the whole thread so we never leave.

[QiyoJoyo]

Pretty sure not even Zodiark want THAT on his plate.

[ShadeUK]

It might be a shock to a lot of people, but this game was not designed for RP at all, it was designed as an MMO. The fact you RP in this game is a choice you make as a player with other players, and equally is their choice to accept what they want or don't want, the fact alot of people do not want to RP with your childlike character is their choice, I don't even blame them because if I was to RP I wouldn't want to RP with a childlike character either and I'm sure there are a lot more people that wouldn't want to either because that would just be weird let's be honest. This is the same in any RP environment on any game, people choose who they want to RP with, end of. Don't like it? Tough. You should be grateful that you have the ability to pursue what you like in this game.

Now I have no problem with what race you play, but this topic is ridiculous, the fact you are offended by a pixelated chair that you don't have to use, is completely ridiculous to me. I wish I had your problems in life. I mean forget starving people, homeless people, low income, loss of friends and family, inflation, recessions, and an endless number of other problems in the world and day-to-day life, these people are offended by an INGAME CHAIR...

It's really quite sad how soft-skinned the world has become and people feel so entitled just because they don't agree or like something that they can make demands of everyone else. Grow up. Life isn't fair, get over it. If people are causing you issues in the game you have something amazing called a blacklist, but I would also like to point out you are on the internet and people can and will say what they like on it.

[VoidsentStatus]

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Few things:

1) It's an MMORPG. Which stands for Role-Playing Game for the last three letters. It's in the actual copy paste meme that was a tweet from the official FF14 NA Account advertisement.

2) "That you don't have to use" -> Using it isn't the point. This is a strawman.

3) I love how people act as if cease and desist letters and defamation cases don't exist for online content. Imagine having millions of dollars going to lawyers and court proceedings every year over something a blacklist can fix, since that's the fix to all problems on the internet. I wonder what would've happened if the judge told Johnny Depp "life isn't fair, get over it". And before you say there's a difference between losing finances irl and just being called something mean, you should be aware that defamation per se is a legal term for cases that don't require financial loss etc. in order for the court to hear your case, which is active in 47 states of the U.S. iirc. All you need is allegations to fall into a specific category, one of which is criminal activity or moral turpitude, which the pedophile accusation that lalafell deal with occasionally would fall under. If we weren't under game aliases, half of this would be prosecutable at the state level. If you knew that person irl and said the same thing you said in game or on the forums to try to call out that person by name on Twitter/Facebook and you have no reasonable proof to justify your accusation, you'd be hit. That's why I had to call up a few law offices because I had defamation added with my doxxings when they went out and I had a choice if I wanted to spend a few thousand just to prove a point because people love hiding on the internet.

[MiniMeee]

Show me on this doll, on this lalafell chair where it hurt you most