Change/Remove Lalafell "Lifter"...

[PlatinumPlatypus]

That moment when XIV players have nothing else to do in this game besides AFK and complain about problems that don't exist.

[Aexnidaral]

That moment when XIV players have nothing else to do in this game besides AFK and complain about problems that don't exist.

That will be 1,500 Tomestones of Astronomy, thank you!

[Kneecap_Stabber]

Because that's how argumentation points work. If someone says this is why I believe x, for a and b reasons, adding c gives more reason to believe said argument. That is what is called evidence. Having more or less does sway judgements. Similar to irl, there are people firmly on either side of a debate that can't be shifted, but there will also be people on the fence that see valid points on both sides and actually nitpick on the amount of compelling evidence from either.

No one is fence sitting and nitpicking the compelling evidence on whether Lalafell are children, because they have played the game and met characters like Nanamo, Teledji, Tataru and so on. It is abundantly clear that they can be adults in lore, and abundantly clear that they look childlike. People who can't get over that childlike appearance are going to treat them as children regardless of the lore. So the chair contributes nothing to either side of this pointless argument.

[VoidsentStatus]

No one is fence sitting and nitpicking the compelling evidence on whether Lalafell are children, because they have played the game and met characters like Nanamo, Teledji, Tataru and so on. It is abundantly clear that they can be adults in lore, and abundantly clear that they look childlike. People who can't get over that childlike appearance are going to treat them as children regardless of the lore. So the chair contributes nothing to either side of this pointless argument.

Yes, there are people fence sitting because it's a common issue in the venue community where people are torn between their personal feelings and obeying RP etiquette which goes off lore, hence why different venues have rules addressing nsfw lalafell on each side, or just flat out ignore it until it becomes a problem or allow people to separate themselves in chat in the discord or in-game from where nsfw lalafell content may be. This has been talked about for years on various ways to handle things, because lalafell being in nsfw situations in venues has been a thing on Primal and Aether as a minimum since the scene first got made over 3 years ago.

[Kneecap_Stabber]

Yes, there are people fence sitting because it's a common issue in the venue community where people are torn between their personal feelings and obeying RP etiquette which goes off lore, hence why different venues have rules addressing nsfw lalafell on each side, or just flat out ignore it until it becomes a problem or allow people to separate themselves in chat in the discord or in-game from where nsfw lalafell content may be. This has been talked about for years on various ways to handle things, because lalafell being in nsfw situations in venues has been a thing on Primal and Aether as a minimum since the scene first got made over 3 years ago.

If they're decidedly basing their opinion of "RP Etiquette" on lore and not appearances, then I doubly do not see why this chair would change anyone's mind. The description doesn't mention anything about Lalafell being children, it simply has a childlike appearance, just as Lalafell themselves do. There is no rule against adults enjoying a childish pastel aesthetic. These RP people who can get over the appearance of the characters should just as well be able to get over the appearance of a chair, no? The more this is discussed the more I really cannot fathom why this is contributing to the issue at hand whatsoever.

[VoidsentStatus]

If they're decidedly basing their opinion of "RP Etiquette" on lore and not appearances, then I doubly do not see why this chair would change anyone's mind. The description doesn't mention anything about Lalafell being children, it simply has a childlike appearance, just as Lalafell themselves do. There is no rule against adults enjoying a childish pastel aesthetic. These RP people who can get over the appearance of the characters should just as well be able to get over the appearance of a chair, no? The more this is discussed the more I really cannot fathom why this is contributing to the issue at hand whatsoever.

Because you just listed the side of the argument that doesn't care about the chair. It's the other half basing their opinion on personal emotion who care about the chair's existence as they use it to justify said emotion. On a personal level, I don't even understand why a "lifter" is even needed considering lalafell have used chairs perfectly fine until now and hitting the edge of the table with your nose like in the description wasn't a thing in cutscenes that I can remember. The idea itself seems to be inspired by furniture needed by children traditionally.

[Kneecap_Stabber]

Because you just listed the side of the argument that doesn't care about the chair. It's the other half basing their opinion on personal emotion who care about the chair's existence as they use it to justify said emotion. On a personal level, I don't even understand why a "lifter" is even needed considering lalafell have used chairs perfectly fine until now and hitting the edge of the table with your nose like in the description wasn't a thing in cutscenes that I can remember. The idea itself seems to be inspired by furniture needed by children traditionally.

"It's the other half basing their opinion on personal emotion who care about the chair's existence." That's precisely it though. You admit the people who base their opinion on lore aren't having their minds changed, and the people basing their opinions on appearances, by your own admission, are simply justifying an opinion they already held, and that they needed no further justification for. Everyone who cares about appearance first and foremost before lore already held this position, and the chair has changed nothing.

"The idea itself seems to be inspired by furniture needed by children traditionally." And why do the children need that furniture? Because they are 3 feet tall. Why do the Lalafells need it? They're also 3 feet tall. Whether or not you personally have had trouble fitting in furnishings, that doesn't discredit the perfectly logical reason as to why it would exist in the world. It's just a cute and funny chair, and as much as you want it to be emblematic of tipping the scales in some virtual race war, it's never going to be anything more than that.

[Rhyagelle]

I like the chair. As a tiny person myself, I often need carefully selected furniture to be able to sit etc etc with others "normally". It's a reality of being a short person. I really think people are getting upset over absolutely nothing and need to calm down.

[nemurin]

im just saying if people are harassing you over something as simple as "just playing as a lalafell" its probably for a different reason and not because of the character youre playing

[Roisin]

Two years ago a man came into my office. He said his name was Mayhew. He wanted one of my clients to lie for him under oath. He offered me money. I refused. That night, as I was leaving my office, I was attacked. A bag was shoved over my head, I was hogtied, I was driven out into the desert. And when they pulled the hood off, I was kneeling in front of an open grave with a gun pointed at my head. That was my introduction to Walter White! I was terrified. But not for long. That night, I saw opportunity. A shot at big money. And I grabbed it and I held it tight. And for the next sixteen months, my every waking moment was spent building Walter White's drug empire. So, yeah, I wasn't there when the meth was cooked. I wasn't there when it was sold. I didn't witness any of the murders. But I damn well knew it was happening. I was more than a willing participant. I was indispensable. I kept Walter White out of jail, I laundered his money, I lied for him, I conspired with him, and I made millions. If he hadn't walked into my office that day, Walter White would have been dead or behind bars within a month. And Agent Schrader and Agent Gomez and a whole lot of other people would still be alive. The fact is, Walter White couldn't have done it without me.