Change/Remove Lalafell "Lifter"...

[AhristoLunasea]

I'm not a level 50 pugilist.. but okay. I haven't felt the need to log in to the forums and post in years. And yeah, I don't really care about the canon of certain miqote chars either.. it ain't me and I'm not a catgirl IRL so it literally couldn't mean any less to me. The community is generally great but I didn't say I'm part of that just calling you out for acting the exact way everyone sees your character: like a baby

[OziAuros]

So... I decided to check this thread because I was told about this item by a friend and honestly, it annoyed me. Frankly, that's not an easy thing to do with housing items of all things but, alas, here I am, checking all the responses and I stumble upon this "gem":



Oh, sure, as if I came in knowing lalafell players were constantly bullied for wanting to play a short race. But sorry, I guess I'm the problem because I decided to stick to my choice in race.
I swear, when I started, my options were miqo'te female, au ra female and lalafell female. Sure, I can't even imagine of going into venues because many have a "No Lalas" rule, but at least I'm glad I dodged the bullet of picking any of the other two.
But hey, what do I know, players like these one or the ones that constantly infantilize us know better... after all we don't see lalafell fighting in battlefields, leading armies, entire nations or being ruthless mercantilists. Eorzea, what a world, where even toddlers can be in charge, and still be unable to walk into a nightclub... and that is somehow the fault of the lalafells /s

TL;DR: The chair it's a tasteless joke... and considering that very dumb things can make me laugh should be telling. Rethink the name/description of this item, and if you want to add lalafell sized furniture, follow the example of the humble lalafellin stepping stool.

Imagine, if you would, someone being dumbfounded that their lalafell isn't being allowed into a bar venue. Not even one of a billion brothels, but a bar. Everyone there is going to end up with the mental picture of the little guy taking a swig. There are people out there who have chosen to play a toddler-adjacent character, and wanted to get their sippy on because they don't see the issue. There are also people out there that pick the toddler-adjacent character to go to the same bar with hopes of ERPing. Might even be with another toddler-adjacent character. How do you tell in advance which is which?

[CelestiCer]

Imagine, if you would, someone being dumbfounded that their lalafell isn't being allowed into a bar venue. Not even one of a billion brothels, but a bar. Everyone there is going to end up with the mental picture of the little guy taking a swig. There are people out there who have chosen to play a toddler-adjacent character, and wanted to get their sippy on because they don't see the issue. There are also people out there that pick the toddler-adjacent character to go to the same bar with hopes of ERPing. Might even be with another toddler-adjacent character. How do you tell in advance which is which?

How do I tell if posters are not trolling when they have barely posted in... ever with accounts that existed longer then mine? I can't tell.

What I can tell is that Lalafells are adults conically according to lore, they are an adult dwarf race and anything that makes Lalafells seem infantilize is just distasteful. And there in lies the problem.

[" Tell Yoshi P that Lalafells are not Adults "

We have an issue of infantilization, if you have a problem with Lalafells not being adults that's different then you might as well ask Square to delete our race because Lalafells are doing quite the adult stuff by their writing... You have Lala's in bunny suits as NPC's in Gold Saucer... like... that's not even the players doing it that's Square.

[Midare]

Imagine, if you would, someone being dumbfounded that their lalafell isn't being allowed into a bar venue. Not even one of a billion brothels, but a bar. Everyone there is going to end up with the mental picture of the little guy taking a swig. There are people out there who have chosen to play a toddler-adjacent character, and wanted to get their sippy on because they don't see the issue. There are also people out there that pick the toddler-adjacent character to go to the same bar with hopes of ERPing. Might even be with another toddler-adjacent character. How do you tell in advance which is which?

Here's a suggestion:

If you see a short person walking into a venue and getting hammered before they start dancing, and think that's "uncomfy", then that's a you issue, not the issue of the short person. I don't dress my character as a child and I don't have my character behave as a child, because she's not a child and if you or people like you can't understand this, this is still a you issue and not a me issue or the issue of any other lalafell player.
And you know what you do with a you issue? You handle it yourself instead of putting others through a bad time because you can't handle it... you know, like an adult should.

[LostUser]

Here's a suggestion:

If you see a short person walking into a venue and getting hammered before they start dancing, and think that's "uncomfy", then that's a you issue, not the issue of the short person. I don't dress my character as a child and I don't have my character behave as a child, because she's not a child and if you or people like you can't understand this, this is still a you issue and not a me issue or the issue of any other lalafell player.
And you know what you do with a you issue? You handle it yourself instead of putting others through a bad time because you can't handle it... you know, like an adult should.

Here's a suggestion:

Apply your made-up scenario to this actual chair scenario and utilise the same logic for a resolution.

If you see an item that you don't like but plenty of other people have no problem with it, that's a you problem, regardless of whether some other people agree with you or not; you aren't being forced to use the item, and you aren't being forced to like the item.

So... what do we do when something is a you problem? We get over it like well-adjusted adults do.

We're going to get people with differing opinions and, frankly, yours is no more valuable than that of anybody else.

Instead of calling for the item to be changed to suit your tastes when other people have already said that they like this, you should be calling for another item to be made that is more to your tastes. You effectively said it yourself; why should others be restricted because of a you problem?

Get over it... you know, like an adult should.

[Midare]

Here's a suggestion:

Apply your made-up scenario to this actual chair scenario and utilise the same logic for a resolution.

If you see an item that you don't like but plenty of other people have no problem with it, that's a you problem, regardless of whether some other people agree with you or not; you aren't being forced to use the item, and you aren't being forced to like the item.

Oh don't you worry, I don't plan on using it and will pretend it doesn't exist for all I care.

But if I see someone using this exact same item as further leverage for more arguments about how "Lalas are just children", then interestingly, that's no longer a me issue, it's an issue that SE is perpetuating by giving ammunition to people who indeed make their own view other people's problems.

And I hope that since you seem to agree that people should handle their personal issues themselves, you will also call those doing that out (because they will emerge).

Or, you know, it would be very hypocritical otherwise.

P.S.: Oh also, while we're at it, how about you start by calling out those complaining about a complaint or those calling others "childish" while using childish retorts. I mean, it's only fair.

[LostUser]

Oh don't you worry, I don't plan on using it and will pretend it doesn't exist for all I care.

But if I see someone using this exact same item as further leverage for more arguments about how "Lalas are just children", then interestingly, that's no longer a me issue, it's an issue that SE is perpetuating by giving ammunition to people who indeed make their own view other people's problems.

And I hope that since you seem to agree that people should handle their personal issues themselves, you will also call those doing that out (because they will emerge).

Or, you know, it would be very hypocritical otherwise.

P.S.: Oh also, while we're at it, how about you start by calling out those complaining about a complaint or those calling others "childish" while using childish retorts. I mean, it's only fair.

People can, and will, utilise anything incorrectly.. it's just a fact of life. That doesn't make it a problem for SE beyond dealing with the very few reports they'll get about it. It will still be a "you problem" for not liking how others use something, or a them problem for using it in a way that is forbidden (abuse, for example). Unless it's a fairly significant proportion of people utilising it for that purpose, then it's not an issue that needs dealing with in any way other than with a handful of bans and warnings.

As for people coming here to complain about a complaint, they have just as much right to complain about the complaint as OP did to complain about the item in the first instance. Obviously, there's no room for bullying/harassment within that scope, and people shouldn't be resorting to that for any reason whatsoever, but the fact remains that you can't have one side expressing their opinion whilst simultaneously telling the other side that they're not allowed to express their opinion.

Personally, I think this entire thread should be deleted and OP should start a new thread asking for a new item that caters to the part of the community that don't want their characters to resemble children in any way beyond stature -- that's not something anybody would have a valid reason to argue against since it isn't taking anything away from anyone. In all honesty, though, they could fix this entire issue by simply allowing full re-colouring of the item so that it optionally appears less child-like. Anybody continuing to cry about it having lalafell in the name needs a healthy dose of reality and quite possibly some professional help.

Edit: I actually slightly misspoke there; The people coming here to complain about OP's complaint have more of a right to complain than OP does, really, since they're trying to avoid having something taken away from them as OP is calling for. Hence my suggestion that a new thread be started asking for something without taking anything away from other players.

[fantasiaaddict]

Lol, this is hilarious. If Lalafell players want to stop being called children, they should stop acting like them, I.E. crying over pointless things.

[Ranaku]

I, as a lala myself, have no problem at all with the chair tbh.

Lalafell are small, obviously, and tables are made for tall races, obviously too. Makes sense that Lalas have something to actually sit comfortable on a table. You know on normal chairs and tables your head is just poking over the edge...how does anyone expect to eat comfortably like that? I get cramps in my arm from just thinking about it.

So was it meant as a joke? Yes, most probably. Is it logical for a lala to have a chair that allows you to actually sit properly at a table? Yes, most probably too. If they should remove anything then it is this ugly candyhouse that is a eyesore for every race equally.

I rather want to point out the outrageous inequality here, SE ignores the needs of the tall races especially roegadyn who still have to worry about getting impaled by stools or breaking these normal weak chairs. I vote for SE implementing a chair that is just a giant rock. So roegadyn can finally sit right too!

[OziAuros]

How do I tell if posters are not trolling when they have barely posted in... ever with accounts that existed longer then mine? I can't tell.

What I can tell is that Lalafells are adults conically according to lore, they are an adult dwarf race and anything that makes Lalafells seem infantilize is just distasteful. And there in lies the problem.
https://youtu.be/Y0AUVPtQx1E?"]" Tell Yoshi P that Lalafells are not Adults"

We have an issue of infantilization, if you have a problem with Lalafells not being adults that's different then you might as well ask Square to delete our race because Lalafells are doing quite the adult stuff by their writing... You have Lala's in bunny suits as NPC's in Gold Saucer... like... that's not even the players doing it that's Square.

The answer to the question I posed is that you don't. What I raised there is an issue of player behavior. Lalafell players will quote lore, as you're doing, when defending the pursuit of explicit ERP. This is why they are banned from many venues. It is safer not to engage on any level than to try and pick and choose between good beans and bad apples and get it wrong, because someone WILL get it wrong. Do I find it problematic that square depicts toddlers in bunnysuits? Yes. Do I think it was a mistake to make lalafell? Also yes. They have done something very, very iffy by depicting toddler-esque characters in adult situations. The Hole, at first glance, could have been passable as edgy writing. Really cements the villains as villains there. What disgusts me in ways I cannot excuse is that there is a little girl that we don't know the age of that sure LOOKS like a toddler crying about how she's being treated. We are made to assume that all characters in suggestive situations are of age. The fact that the writers are presenting as such is one thing. It's another thing entirely to apply this blanket statement to player behavior. Lalafell PLAYERS are not given that get out of jail free card. Some of them absolutely should be jailed.

But this isn't about venues. This thread is about a chair, the latest in a series of things lalafell players cry about. Give me a break. You're not persecuted.