Tomestones.. Again.. for a relic..

[Tint]

It's a typo, English professor. The C is beside the V on the keyboard.

English professor? More like the opposite I think.

As a non native english speaker it is quite difficult to make this out as a typo. Calidation sounds like an actual word. And validation is not a commonly used word either, so it basically does not exist in my active vocabulary.
So I read "calidation" and think: Huh?

[Havenchild]

We gave up an exploratory zone and relic quests for island sanctuary and dead content criterions.

This is what happens when the casual playerbase get a say in the game's endgame content.

Correction, this is when we let the forums dictate what's "good " for the game. People on the forums have no concept of game development or how it balances the game and constantly complained about every previous relic.
Next time, people should crap on the naysayers when we have decent content.

Enjoy the tome grind.

[Midareyukki]

For me it's just weird. I thought when they made content like Bozja and Eureka, there was people asking for a tomestone grind in the same vein as ARR and HSW relics. Now that we have one, people are still getting mad?

If they had made another Exploratory Zone, people would go nuts.
Had they tied this entry to Eureka Orthros, people would go nuts.
Were this grind tied to a FATE grind, people would go nuts.
Tie it to any other form of content, people would go nuts.

They're just acting on what people asked for. And people wanted stuff like HSW and ARR, which had tomestone grind steps one after another.

Could this have been done better? Iunno, probably. But it's not like they're doing this on a whim. People had been asking for tome grinds and light farming for two expansions, and now that they're getting it it's suddenly a problem? Either people start realizing the flaws with what they like and dislike, and be fair about what they put out to the devs, or stuff like this is just going to keep happening.

[Xirean]

For me it's just weird. I thought when they made content like Bozja and Eureka, there was people asking for a tomestone grind in the same vein as ARR and HSW relics. Now that we have one, people are still getting mad?

If they had made another Exploratory Zone, people would go nuts.
Had they tied this entry to Eureka Orthros, people would go nuts.
Were this grind tied to a FATE grind, people would go nuts.
Tie it to any other form of content, people would go nuts.

They're just acting on what people asked for. And people wanted stuff like HSW and ARR, which had tomestone grind steps one after another.

Could this have been done better? Iunno, probably. But it's not like they're doing this on a whim. People had been asking for tome grinds and light farming for two expansions, and now that they're getting it it's suddenly a problem? Either people start realizing the flaws with what they like and dislike, and be fair about what they put out to the devs, or stuff like this is just going to keep happening.

I don't think it's the same group of people complaining.

[MintnHoney]

And people wanted stuff like HSW and ARR

While I don't put too much stock in trying to accurately remember much of anything related to FFXIV anymore, I'm pretty sure that ARR and (I assume you mean) Heavensward relic grinds were quite a bit more robust than this. I suppose not (if you're saying it's comparable), but, if that's the case, I think it would be wise to consider the overall situation for the state of the game during such times when those complaints, if they were as such, happened.
Currently, the main complaint (on the forum) is that there isn't enough to do. Ignoring the 3 achievement hunters, that one chick who thinks they're "telling it like it is" (but apparently doesn't understand the internet), and gatherer/crafters that do busy work before returning to their oh-so-busy life and are thankful for having so little to do to feel like they're "keeping up" in a game where, according to all of these people, you're not supposed to feel like you need to keep up with anyone, it would make sense why the complaints surrounding the relic would be about the lack of time/effort required to complete it.

During ARR and Heavensward, if people were complaining about having too much to do or tying the grinds to FATEs, etc., part of me thinks that it's because, at the time, it probably felt like there was more than enough to do and so, I would imagine, they probably wanted to reduce the amount of tedious effort required to complete the various steps. But their grinds involved many different steps with many different things to do, so, while it was tedious, it was at least varied and each step could be divided into smaller, more digestable grinds.
They streamlined it so much with the tomestones, this time, however, that those of us who only really intend to grind for 1 weapon (because, despite not being the 3 achievement hunters, that one chick who thinks they're "telling it like it is," and gatherer/crafters that are too busy to keep up with the Joneses otherwise, we have a life and interest outside of this game or are just not so obsessed with this one to want to do absolutely every little thing and lord that over everyone else) can technically complete all we want to do in very little time, adding to the feeling that there is little substance left for us.

[Midareyukki]

(if you're saying it's comparable)

I'm not. Never did.

I just said that people wanted tome grinds. Obviously at some point they'll be different. Whether they're robust or not is an entirely different issue that needs to be conveyed to the devs.

Otherwise, yeah. We all know how much there was to do back in HSW. Umbrite steps, Unidentified step, on and on. Even if there was a Tome grind, it was never "identical", there was always something more to it. And it wasn't done in a single cap. And all that rest is just normal; there really isn't all that much to do in the game right now in comparison to HSW, which only piles up in how tedious this must feel. That was never in question, though.

What I do question is people complaining there are tome grinds to start with. Because that's what people wanted. That's what got sent to the devs before.

The devs are acting on what people asked. To have more stuff like ARR and HSW. Which is what we're getting. Past that? Yes, as you said, it falls short because it's not done the same way as ARR and HSW relics were done. And like I said, that now has to be told to the devs. But that's not what this topic is doing.

The topic of this thread is plain in the title. "Tomestones, again, for a relic". And I'm just like "...yes, that's what people asked for. If this were Eureka again, you'd have people complain too."

Everything else you mentioned? Not what I was talking about in the slightest. I agree with you, don't get me wrong, it's just not at all what I'm talking about.

[Midareyukki]

I don't think it's the same group of people complaining.

Possibly not. Which to me just shows the problem. There are people who like one way of doing relics over another, and there are people that like neither. As it stands, SE is doing what people asked for, and at the time, there were people asking for them to do ARR and HSW-type relic stages again, hence why we're having tomes for a grind again.

Like, if people question why we're back to this, that's why.
EVERYTHING ELSE is as MintnHoney said and all the others have as well: EW is a different expansion with different content than HSW. That's not going to translate well. And the required items are also not of the same type and amount as those required by ARR and HSW grinds. Which makes this feel particularly bleh.

Issue is, what are they gonna do now? Is there any compromise to be reached? Because if not, then next time they'll do an Exploratory Zone, there are people complaining again and wondering why, where you have here people against tome grinds. Or at least, sending the message that tome grinds aren't what they want. At that point we'll just ping pong.

[Winterfang]

They already tried a compromise with ShB relics. Alternatives outside of Bozja, 1-Time only steps, even having people finally have a use for Blue Mage made the ShB relics some of the easiest and less grindy relics. The results? People still complained the game would have the audacity of having players go out of their way for relics. So now it's logging in, doing a quests for an hour and watching the funny man explode, then gib shiny.

[Absimiliard]

Validation, but for those who really need a glass of milk instead.

Always be mindful to maintain a healthy calcium intake, kids.

[Ransu]

Relic grinds have never been enjoyable. I'll take the simple tomestones over the old crap.