Tomestones.. Again.. for a relic..

[RyuDragnier]

Not everyone is a new player.

Correct, but the grind begins again EVERY time new content is added that corresponds with it, and for anything that somebody decides they want at that point in time.

Ilvl increase? You need to grind the new tomes, the Savages (should you do them), gather all those materials for the new crafted set to use/sell, melding new materia in (overmelding if you're going the extra distance). This happens every even numbered patch.

New EX? You're having to grind it for the new mount. We get a new EX EVERY major patch.

Decided on a new glam? You're going to have to grind for that one piece of gear you want assuming it's not something you can just buy.

The grind is constant and everywhere, all we get are minor breaks from it. And in the case of some, there's always something to level or farm, so the grind for them is near eternal. To act like there is no grind is...no offense, a pretty dumb take.

[raelgun]

Correct, but the grind begins again EVERY time new content is added that corresponds with it, and for anything that somebody decides they want at that point in time.

Ilvl increase? You need to grind the new tomes, the Savages (should you do them), gather all those materials for the new crafted set to use/sell, melding new materia in (overmelding if you're going the extra distance). This happens every even numbered patch.

New EX? You're having to grind it for the new mount. We get a new EX EVERY major patch.

Decided on a new glam? You're going to have to grind for that one piece of gear you want assuming it's not something you can just buy.

The grind is constant and everywhere, all we get are minor breaks from it. And in the case of some, there's always something to level or farm, so the grind for them is near eternal. To act like there is no grind is...no offense, a pretty dumb take.

The point of this thread is talking about content being added mid way through an expansion.

Most of your post is only valid for the start of an expansion when new systems are introduced and a reset occurs, this isn't that.

People need to stop looking at things from a new player perspective only, this is why the game as time goes on gets more shallow.

[RyuDragnier]

The point of this thread is talking about content being added mid way through an expansion.

Most of your post is only valid for the start of an expansion when new systems are introduced and a reset occurs, this isn't that.

People need to stop looking at things from a new player perspective only, this is why the game as time goes on gets more shallow.

Incorrect.

We had an ilvl increase in 6.1 for crafters/gatherers, one in 6.2 for battle classes, one in 6.3 for crafters/gatherers, and we're about to have another one in 6.4 for the battle classes (which is the final ilvl increase for the expansion). So that's 80% of the big patches with an ilvl increase. That is not new player exclusive, that effects everyone.

We get a new EX in x.1, x.2, x.3, x.4, and x.5 patches. Meaning a new mount every big patch. That effects everyone at endgame who wants them.

A new glam you've decided on can be at any time, any place, and can effect any player.

So tell me where any of that is new player exclusive and valid only for an expansion's launch?

[Stormpeaks]

Incorrect.

We had an ilvl increase in 6.1 for crafters/gatherers, one in 6.2 for battle classes, one in 6.3 for crafters/gatherers, and we're about to have another one in 6.4 for the battle classes (which is the final ilvl increase for the expansion). So that's 80% of the big patches with an ilvl increase. That is not new player exclusive, that effects everyone.

We get a new EX in x.1, x.2, x.3, x.4, and x.5 patches. Meaning a new mount every big patch. That effects everyone at endgame who wants them.

A new glam you've decided on can be at any time, any place, and can effect any player.

So tell me where any of that is new player exclusive and valid only for an expansion's launch?

And what of that is long term please I'd love to know

The new crafters/gatherer gear could be bought for 200k a piece a few days in.

Ex is getting taken down on day 1, or at the most in the first week if you are very slow and you are using PF

Where is the long lasting content in what you mentioned ?

[Deceptus]

And what of that is long term please I'd love to know

The new crafters/gatherer gear could be bought for 200k a piece a few days in.

Ex is getting taken down on day 1, or at the most in the first week if you are very slow and you are using PF

Where is the long lasting content in what you mentioned ?

Just because you or certain other people decide to brute force the content in a day doesn't mean that it's short. It means you decided it was.

[Masekase_Hurricane]

Just because you or certain other people decide to brute force the content in a day doesn't mean that it's short. It means you decided it was.

umm how long do you think it should take for an ex trial? They aren't savage fights.

[RyuDragnier]

umm how long do you think it should take for an ex trial? They aren't savage fights.

How lucky do you think you are with RNG? If there's 1 totem per run, worst case you're looking at 99 runs and then waiting for the patch allowing you to buy the mount. If there's 2, worst case is 50. Not everybody is lucky enough to get a mount on the first few clears, leading to the grind itself for that mount.

[Atelier-Bagur]

And what of that is long term please I'd love to know

The new crafters/gatherer gear could be bought for 200k a piece a few days in.

Ex is getting taken down on day 1, or at the most in the first week if you are very slow and you are using PF

Where is the long lasting content in what you mentioned ?

Dont worry hun, I'm sure everybody in the audience believed you not only completed the EX in a day but also got the weapon and the mount too. *pats head*

[Stormpeaks]

Dont worry hun, I'm sure everybody in the audience believed you not only completed the EX in a day but also got the weapon and the mount too. *pats head*

Thanks for the pat buddy, how is defending Square going on for you ? Did they give you a little pat on the head yet ?

Also lol @ "audience", if you think I care, you're making yourself look like a fool by simping for a company, not me.

[Atelier-Bagur]

Thanks for the pat buddy, how is defending Square going on for you ? Did they give you a little pat on the head yet ?

Also lol @ "audience", if you think I care, you're making yourself look like a fool by simping for a company, not me.

Its just funny how much more of a shill you are being for the company by it being always the focus for your arguments. Almost everything and anything you say it ends in "SE" this and "SE" that, meanwhile other people when they present their points they usually address to the game itself rather than square-enix.

You're being a puppet to it and you have yet to actually realize it. Its sad.