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    Player RyuDragnier's Avatar
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    EX mount drops, getting that one piece of weekly loot you want from the current Alliance Raid, gathering mats for crafting in general, getting enough scrips to buy materia or buy even more mats for crafting, raising levels of the alt jobs you want to use, getting trusts maxed out, gearing up every job you want to use (including crafters/gatherers), Shared FATEs, leveling tribes, etc etc. There are a LOT of grinds in this game, so I don't see how anybody can say we have barely any grinds, when there's quite a few.
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    Quote Originally Posted by RyuDragnier View Post
    EX mount drops, getting that one piece of weekly loot you want from the current Alliance Raid, gathering mats for crafting in general, getting enough scrips to buy materia or buy even more mats for crafting, raising levels of the alt jobs you want to use, getting trusts maxed out, gearing up every job you want to use (including crafters/gatherers), Shared FATEs, leveling tribes, etc etc. There are a LOT of grinds in this game, so I don't see how anybody can say we have barely any grinds, when there's quite a few.
    I mean, most of these grinds gets trivial at some point (perhaps except maxing your trusts? I'm not even sure why people would do that but whatever) or have another solution in which you can achiev the same ilvl without going through them. For me the only grinds the game currently offer in order to unlock/get something are shared fates (which will eventually be *much* easier when BLU 80 and 90 releases), the crazy achievements for titles/minions/mounts and the relic quests with it's respective chains. If you are casual and can't play the game much or can't put in the effort to get these things now, they'll be easier and cheaper down the line regardless. The biggest and unavoidable grind of the game is the MSQ, after that everything with enough patience will become somewhat easier and nerfed. There's literally no reason for them to be easy at the moment, for people that are currently investing time into the game.

    I suppose that if you truly want to play every single job, gear every job, get the current patch gear for EVERYTHING then the chances are you're a completionist which means you're bound to find grind in every game you go. There's zero reason to make content based thinking about people that want everything in the game, given that they're a minority. If anything I'm all for making the relic easier and easier when you do it more and more for more and different classes, but still... What I meant with the lack of grind is that FFXIV is in general pretty grindless if you're a casual player. You will never be locked out of doing anything that's casual in the game because of your gear, you can pop-up and buy whatever crafted gear is available and do whatever you want from the get-go. You can cap out your tomes pretty easily by not sinking much time in the game weekly at all, and level up your jobs a bit every day without wasting more of one hour of your time (a leveling+tribes goes a long way). So yeah, it is a grindless game.
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    Last edited by Melorie; 03-12-2023 at 01:56 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by RyuDragnier View Post
    EX mount drops, getting that one piece of weekly loot you want from the current Alliance Raid, gathering mats for crafting in general, getting enough scrips to buy materia or buy even more mats for crafting, raising levels of the alt jobs you want to use, getting trusts maxed out, gearing up every job you want to use (including crafters/gatherers), Shared FATEs, leveling tribes, etc etc. There are a LOT of grinds in this game, so I don't see how anybody can say we have barely any grinds, when there's quite a few.
    Not everyone is a new player.

    Some people have:
    All the EX mounts
    No use for armor downgrades from alliance raids.
    So much Gil that crafting is pointless
    So much Materia that getting scripts is pointless
    Omni-90 every job.
    Gearing up evert alt jo.... wait cant do that because 620 tome gear is softlocked at 450/week
    have full pentamelded crafter gear
    Have the shared fate achievements

    The game needs END GAME GRINDS, not just grinds in general.

    Relics used to fill that spot nicely, now its just log in, get your participation award and realize that the game is just as empty as it was the last patch.

    The saving grace this patch has been the crafter/gatherer relics, but by tomorrow i'll have those complete.
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    Player RyuDragnier's Avatar
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    Quote Originally Posted by DixieBellOCE View Post
    Not everyone is a new player.
    Correct, but the grind begins again EVERY time new content is added that corresponds with it, and for anything that somebody decides they want at that point in time.

    Ilvl increase? You need to grind the new tomes, the Savages (should you do them), gather all those materials for the new crafted set to use/sell, melding new materia in (overmelding if you're going the extra distance). This happens every even numbered patch.

    New EX? You're having to grind it for the new mount. We get a new EX EVERY major patch.

    Decided on a new glam? You're going to have to grind for that one piece of gear you want assuming it's not something you can just buy.

    The grind is constant and everywhere, all we get are minor breaks from it. And in the case of some, there's always something to level or farm, so the grind for them is near eternal. To act like there is no grind is...no offense, a pretty dumb take.
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    Quote Originally Posted by RyuDragnier View Post
    Correct, but the grind begins again EVERY time new content is added that corresponds with it, and for anything that somebody decides they want at that point in time.

    Ilvl increase? You need to grind the new tomes, the Savages (should you do them), gather all those materials for the new crafted set to use/sell, melding new materia in (overmelding if you're going the extra distance). This happens every even numbered patch.

    New EX? You're having to grind it for the new mount. We get a new EX EVERY major patch.

    Decided on a new glam? You're going to have to grind for that one piece of gear you want assuming it's not something you can just buy.

    The grind is constant and everywhere, all we get are minor breaks from it. And in the case of some, there's always something to level or farm, so the grind for them is near eternal. To act like there is no grind is...no offense, a pretty dumb take.
    The point of this thread is talking about content being added mid way through an expansion.

    Most of your post is only valid for the start of an expansion when new systems are introduced and a reset occurs, this isn't that.

    People need to stop looking at things from a new player perspective only, this is why the game as time goes on gets more shallow.
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    Player RyuDragnier's Avatar
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    Quote Originally Posted by raelgun View Post
    The point of this thread is talking about content being added mid way through an expansion.

    Most of your post is only valid for the start of an expansion when new systems are introduced and a reset occurs, this isn't that.

    People need to stop looking at things from a new player perspective only, this is why the game as time goes on gets more shallow.
    Incorrect.

    We had an ilvl increase in 6.1 for crafters/gatherers, one in 6.2 for battle classes, one in 6.3 for crafters/gatherers, and we're about to have another one in 6.4 for the battle classes (which is the final ilvl increase for the expansion). So that's 80% of the big patches with an ilvl increase. That is not new player exclusive, that effects everyone.

    We get a new EX in x.1, x.2, x.3, x.4, and x.5 patches. Meaning a new mount every big patch. That effects everyone at endgame who wants them.

    A new glam you've decided on can be at any time, any place, and can effect any player.

    So tell me where any of that is new player exclusive and valid only for an expansion's launch?
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    Quote Originally Posted by RyuDragnier View Post
    Incorrect.

    We had an ilvl increase in 6.1 for crafters/gatherers, one in 6.2 for battle classes, one in 6.3 for crafters/gatherers, and we're about to have another one in 6.4 for the battle classes (which is the final ilvl increase for the expansion). So that's 80% of the big patches with an ilvl increase. That is not new player exclusive, that effects everyone.

    We get a new EX in x.1, x.2, x.3, x.4, and x.5 patches. Meaning a new mount every big patch. That effects everyone at endgame who wants them.

    A new glam you've decided on can be at any time, any place, and can effect any player.

    So tell me where any of that is new player exclusive and valid only for an expansion's launch?
    And what of that is long term please I'd love to know

    The new crafters/gatherer gear could be bought for 200k a piece a few days in.

    Ex is getting taken down on day 1, or at the most in the first week if you are very slow and you are using PF

    Where is the long lasting content in what you mentioned ?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Stormpeaks View Post
    And what of that is long term please I'd love to know

    The new crafters/gatherer gear could be bought for 200k a piece a few days in.

    Ex is getting taken down on day 1, or at the most in the first week if you are very slow and you are using PF

    Where is the long lasting content in what you mentioned ?
    Just because you or certain other people decide to brute force the content in a day doesn't mean that it's short. It means you decided it was.
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    Veteran healers don't care if we need to heal, but right now we don't. We want interesting things to do during the downtime other than a 30s dot and a single filler spell that hasn't changed from lvl 4 to lvl 90.
    Dead DPS do no DPS. Raised DPS do 25/50% lower DPS. Do the mechanics and don't stand in bad stuff.
    Other games expect basic competence, FFXIV is pleasantly surprised by it. Other games have toxic elitism. FFXIV has toxic casualism.[/LIST]

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    Quote Originally Posted by Stormpeaks View Post
    And what of that is long term please I'd love to know

    The new crafters/gatherer gear could be bought for 200k a piece a few days in.

    Ex is getting taken down on day 1, or at the most in the first week if you are very slow and you are using PF

    Where is the long lasting content in what you mentioned ?
    Dont worry hun, I'm sure everybody in the audience believed you not only completed the EX in a day but also got the weapon and the mount too. *pats head*
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