Tomestones.. Again.. for a relic..

[Supersnow845]

I'm talking about every new relic grind. New jobs don't have old relics added, just that with new relic progression that gets adding, creating an initial challenge that gets easier the more weapons you complete helps address the fact that there are nearly double the amount of jobs now than what we had in ARR. Rather than making each weapon grind much shorter than ARR's grind to accommodate, having the first weapon be as long, but then each one after gets easier and easier to a point where the total amount of time is more similar.

That’s what I’m saying, how many jobs in the game there are shouldn’t have any effect on new relic grinds because they aren’t designed to get every single one of them, EW should be no easier than ARR just because there is more jobs because you should still only be going for 1 or maybe 2 relics, this has nothing to do with retroactively adding new jobs to old relic grinds

The idea to make the first relic hard and subsequent easier is decent but still leaves you in the situation where it makes the subsequent relics way too easy; the relics should take a long time to get, not just be useless trinkets you dump in the glamour drawer like your 6 full sets of aglaia gear

[Lord_Umbra]

I think the original relic quest was the best of them. Craft a weapon. Kill some bosses. Then the primals. Get oil. Done.

None of this spam old content a hundred times to try and revive it momentarily or grind a thousand fates for rng

Skipping a few steps, Grind Fates, Grind Seals GC items, spend like 400K on purchasable only items, spend more if don't got crafters, grind Atma light phase in unsyncable content since it was ARR, Farm Materia & blow through 100s of Materia, Grind tomes Multiple books all unsyncanble content & fates required that could take anywhere between 10 - 1 hour or more to respawn.

Personally I like field content more though feel most of complaints for Bozja was how not pretty the zones where & that it was easier/quicker to get your relic not doing Bozja faster to get the materials all outside of Bozja other then Delebrum step, though I wont complain essentially free easy i630 weapons for all my jobs is nice.

[Supersnow845]

Hey zeta relics were a fantastic balance of world materia stocks in their time but yes the original poster is misinterpreting the zeta grind to almost a hilarious degree

[Kolaina]

Skipping a few steps, Grind Fates, Grind Seals GC items, spend like 400K on purchasable only items, spend more if don't got crafters, grind Atma light phase in unsyncable content since it was ARR, Farm Materia & blow through 100s of Materia, Grind tomes Multiple books all unsyncanble content & fates required that could take anywhere between 10 - 1 hour or more to respawn.

No. Not skipping steps at all. I said original. Not upgraded. The very first stage

[Lak14]

Can still play the game. Playing is required to gather the tomes needed.

I suspect the people who want the excruciating grind only do a handful of relics, if more than 1, and go back to bees kneesing in Limsa. Because people do pay their sub to do just that.

I do not want an excruciating grind to be able to obtain every relic. I should be able to get home from work and not feel this game has become a second job, I should feel like I can do other things, play other games, or log into my potato alt.

Farm X number of (insert old content here), or grind X fates in an old expansion are not more content or more diverse than collect set number of tomes.

casual mindset.

this game is slowly being ruined by the casual community.

[Saraide]

casual mindset.

this game is slowly being ruined by the casual community.

A goal of relics is to have a casual alternative to savage weapons.

[Kolaina]

casual mindset.

this game is slowly being ruined by the casual community.

Used to be “hardcore”. Some people don’t got time for that any more. Say casual as if it’s a dirty word. But I’d rather be that than someone no lifeing a game with mundane grinds to feel some sort of accomplishment for wasting time for the sake of wasting time

[Supersnow845]

A goal of relics is to have a casual alternative to savage weapons.

Yes and one that requires an alternative level of effort; not substituting progging a full tier for one day of roulettes

[Kolaina]

Yes and one that requires an alternative level of effort; not substituting progging a full tier for one day of roulettes

That’s why the relic is always behind. Alternative does not necessitate equal effort. Plus, generally, once a raid group clears, every clear there after is easy. So the difficulty diminishes.

[Supersnow845]

That’s why the relic is always behind. Alternative does not necessitate equal effort. Plus, generally, once a raid group clears, every clear there after is easy. So the difficulty diminishes.

Yes behind because savage is harder, not behind because a relic is worth one day of roulettes, one day of roulettes isn’t even worth an extreme level weapon