Tomestones.. Again.. for a relic..

[rainichan]

You don't know what people were expecting? I don't know, maybe not the exact same step twice in a row? A journal with different targets to slay. A new trial. Some crafted parts. Materia melding. A reason to actually do the new variant/criterion content released in Endwalker. A modicum of creativity, like the devs used to have back in ARR.

You're acting like it's impossible to do a proper relic quest without Eureka/Bozja and it's simply not the case.

You cherrypicked this out of everything else I said lmao.

Yeah ok.

I don't know what people were expecting when every since relic in basically every patch they have done a myriad of different things that plenty of players complained heavily about "I hate this content why do I need to do it for my relic this is so stupid."

Already in this thread I've seen "well they could have made it that you run old araids!"

THEY DID. THEY DID THAT IN SHB FOR BOZJA. You could run 18 CT raids, 18 Mhach raids, and 18 Ivalice raids for guaranteed drops of the coloured crystals you needed out of each area, or run fates in ARR/HW/SB areas for a non-guaranteed Atma drop rate for them to vary the content. You know what happened? 18 Syrcus Towers (because it's the quickest) and fates in HW/SB areas because "Mhach and Ivalice take too long." Same with the 6 crystals needed from any lv60 msq dungeon. People ran Antitower because it was the quickest to get what they wanted. So they didn't have to do more work.

Do you see a pattern here? It's the same with every relic prior to this too. The fastest way to gain light on the light step for the HW Lux weapon was running A1S until your brain oozed out of your ears and by god did people do that method because it was the quickest. Whatever the quickest method is, is what people want to do with the least amount of complaining beyond "god I hate this dungeon/content why do I have to run it and why do I need to run it so much."

I'm not disagreeing that this was disappointing, but to pretend it's not because of the whining and complaining of "it's too much work and I hate having to do this content to get items for my relic" is absurd, and that is why I said "I don't know what people expected."

It wasn’t just a handful of players. There were posts weekly during Bozja/Zadnor, and Eureka with complaints. ...

100% this. The devs say they listen to their playerbase and go with what they say they would like. They said they hated Eureka/Bozja content, hate the running of one duty etc. and here we are. There's definitely other factors into this that we don't see (either FF16, overhauling everything graphical for 7.0, etc.) that may have had a hand in it, but to say that players complaining that everything is too hard/too grindy/I Hate This Content And I Hate Running It most definitely had a big hand in it too.

[RyuDragnier]

It'll keep many of us busy at the very least. However I dread having to revisit this relic chain in the future just like all other relic chains. The busywork is only good for when its new, afterwards you're just left with an annoying grind mess.

Oh yeah, that's why I've never gotten more than 4 maxed relics from any expansion.

[Duskane]

To be fair DSR is functionally ShB ultimate but regardless criterion dungeons are as deep as a roadside puddle and the deep dungeon isn’t much better, Bozja and eureka just offer so much content they dwarf anything else, SB was far better than both regardless

Bozja is good but it is just watered down Eureka
it had 2 zones and a lard scale raid with a bonus EX trial with also Tea this was the only battle content we got
rest was Crafter and Gatherer stuff
Ishgard with diadem revived
4 custom delivery NPC
DoH/L relics
thats it EW has already surpassed ShB in terms of content

like EW we atleast had some stuff to do but ShB we literally got Bozja at 5.35 which is an expansion away from now 6.35 didn't help we were stuck in 5.3-8 for 6 months thanks to covid

[grinkdaboy]

It'll keep many of us busy at the very least. However I dread having to revisit this relic chain in the future just like all other relic chains. The busywork is only good for when its new, afterwards you're just left with an annoying grind mess.

why? in 7.0 you'll blow through the first 2 steps of it with poetics

[Chasingstars]

Clearly people don't see the genius in it being so simple. I enjoyed the manderville quests. But for someone else who doesn't like the manderville quests, its quick and painless to get this step done, especially if you go do hunt trains for your astronomy tomestones. And if your still aching for a grind, there is the splendorous tools that are a grind that were added this patch.

[Absimiliard]

And if your still aching for a grind, there is the splendorous tools that are a grind that were added this patch.

To go with the complete lack of Beast Tribe quests for Disciples of War. SE is on a roll.

[Chasingstars]

To go with the complete lack of Beast Tribe quests for Disciples of War. SE is on a roll.

Well I would be happy to address the elephant beast tribe in the room which is for war/magic.

[Absimiliard]

Well I would be happy to address the elephant beast tribe in the room which is for war/magic.

With no worthwhile rewards to speak of and an incredibly lame storyline. Which is kinda why people continue to pretend they don't exist. :P

Could be worse, I guess. The Omicron storyline is way worse, in my opinion.

[EliaStormblade]

To go with the complete lack of Beast Tribe quests for Disciples of War. SE is on a roll.

Same as in ShB? One DoW/DoM Tribe (Arkasodara), one Gathering Tribe (Omicron) and now one Crafting Tribe (Loporrits)

[Xirean]

With no worthwhile rewards to speak of and an incredibly lame storyline. Could be worse, I guess.

And yet it exists and gives good exp for leveling alt jobs. What's the problem?