Tomestones.. Again.. for a relic..

[Absimiliard]

The relics are only BIS long after the final tier is out, sure in some situations they can be the best prog weapons if you are struggling with a tier but you shouldn’t ever be relying on relics to clear a raid tier, and I’m still not sure why that links into not liking eureka, I mean it’s not like launch anima was any faster than the eureka grind

Now you're responding to a point that was never made. None the less, I will note relic weapons did not always lag as far behind as they do now. Originally they would catch up not too long after each tier came out, at which point many raiders would flock to them even should they have their raid weapon already, once again, because many of the relic weapons had superior secondaries. No one said anything about using them to clear.

And yes, it does link back to not liking Eureka. It's non-raid content a lot of people felt obligated to do because there was an upgrade in it for them. The casuals cry because it's a grind, and the raiders cry because it's "forcing" them to do something they would rather not. Both mindsets are stupid.

So what do we have now? We've got crippled relic weapons that require almost no effort to obtain. They're not even worth the miniscule amount of effort required to obtain them, at least until the end of an expansion.

[Ath192]

People who like that should get better taste.

I mean if that's your take. I understand them wanting to have a reward to keep playing a game they love, even if its old content. I also understand not wanting to repeat things without a reward.

But look, just hand in your 1500 tomes and log off. There's other games to go play.

[Iyrnthota]

I mean if that's your take. I understand them wanting to have a reward to keep playing a game they love, even if its old content. I also understand not wanting to repeat things without a reward.

But look, just hand in your 1500 tomes and log off. There's other games to go play.

If I may, what do you feel would have been an appropriate objective, given the lack of exploratory zone?

Personally, based on previous steps, I feel like 15 dungeons runs would be about right. Perhaps levels 70-80.

[Supersnow845]

Now you're responding to a point that was never made. None the less, I will note relic weapons did not always lag as far behind as they do now. Originally they would catch up not too long after each tier came out, at which point many raiders would flock to them even should they have their raid weapon already, once again, because many of the relic weapons had superior secondaries. No one said anything about using them to clear.

And yes, it does link back to not liking Eureka. It's non-raid content a lot of people felt obligated to do because there was an upgrade in it for them. The casuals cry because it's a grind, and the raiders cry because it's "forcing" them to do something they would rather not. Both mindsets are stupid.

So what do we have now? We've got crippled relic weapons that require almost no effort to obtain. They're not even worth the effort of getting anymore.

When did the relics ever have superior stats mid tiers, besides some edge cases like that horrible time we had the tanks use strength accessories over vitality accessories for damage over health the relics have always been far enough behind that edge case optimisation didn’t really factor in the raiding communities overall opinion of relics

And regardless like I said it’s not like the anima relic was any faster, you can’t act like “being forced to do eureka” is a point against it when the alternative in HW was to do ARF 857 times

[Elkanah]

We gave up an exploratory zone and relic quests for island sanctuary and dead content criterions.

This is what happens when the casual playerbase get a say in the game's endgame content.

Gawddamn casuals! *shakes fist*

[Novae]

I'm not stopping you. Infact nothing is stopping you from just doing 300 fates right now. There is nothing stopping you from just running 50 circus tower. 15 variant clears? You want a relic step be y content x times? Oh boi do I have news for you, you can just do that.

I'll pass on this step. The only thing needed is a 15$ sub and 20 minutes. I feel like playing a mobile game. But if it's the kind of content you enjoy, I'm happy for you.

[LianaThorne]

People who like that should get better taste.

The same thing could be said back to you. Everyone enjoys different things, all we're asking for is all tastes to be accomodated. I really enjoyed Bozja/Zadnor and would love for that to have been something occuring again in this relic...at the very least tying it into Criterion in some sense so that content could be utilized again. Instead we got a pretty lackluster relic step that's a copy-paste basically of the first. I think people who enjoyed a harder grind seen in previous relics have a right to be upset, or even those who views this as a lazy approach to making a step since, like I said, it's literally what we did already in the first step.

Instead of resulting to personal insults, take your win and let the rest of us have a space to say our thoughts and voice our concerns.

[Supersnow845]

Gawddamn casuals! *shakes fist*

Well it certainly ain’t the mid tier playerbase who is happy with a relic for 1500 poetics

[Absimiliard]

When did the relics ever have superior stats mid tiers, besides some edge cases like that horrible time we had the tanks use strength accessories over vitality accessories for damage over health the relics have always been far enough behind that edge case optimisation didn’t really factor in the raiding communities overall opinion of relics

And regardless like I said it’s not like the anima relic was any faster, you can’t act like “being forced to do eureka” is a point against it when the alternative in HW was to do ARF 857 times

I take it you didn't play in ARR and Heavensward. Those relic weapons came in pretty handy back then. There were of course times where they would lag behind, but you didn't have to wait until the expansion's end for them to be at or near the level of raid weapons. Even when they did lag behind, the gap was nowhere near what it is today. Granted, part of this is due to the old relics having more steps. You upgraded them more often in exchange for doing it in smaller increments, which for the most part allowed them to be much closer to raid weapons than what we have now at any given time.

[Eve_The_Witch]

So i guess we not getting a proper Relic grind this time because we got Deep Dungeon, aka game mode with 3x less bosses but 3x more trash?