Tomestones.. Again.. for a relic..

[Absimiliard]

The incredibly strong, indisputable position of 'It's true because I say it's true'.

I called your raid experience into question because anyone who has spent any amount of time in the raiding community would know precisely how stupid it is to try to treat it like some kind of monolith with anything approaching a unified opinion on anything.

If by "raiding community" you mean PF, you'd be correct in that assertion. I do not associate with that particular part of the community outside of very specific circumstances. At any rate, you're upset over nothing. Me saying a portion of the raiding community had a problem with relics, which they factually did, does not change the fact that other portions of it didn't. I'm not accusing you or anyone else of anything, dude. I am observing that, at one point in time, there truly was a very vocal lot from that part of the game complaining up a storm about relic weapons, the grinds, etc. That doesn't mean opinions haven't changed over the years. One does not need to go ask every single person in a community what they think when they can read various media to read for themselves what is being said. These things seldom reflect the majority, but they do none the less make it into the public eye. That's just sorta how social media works. You have your vocal portion of the community, then your silent portion. Referencing one opinion does not invalidate the other.

I think most of us would honestly prefer relics stop sucking and require more than doing like three quests and handing in some tomestones. Making them suck does nobody any good. It makes it harder for less advanced statics (and most PF groups) to progress, and it removes an extra avenue of advancement for players that do already have their gear sets completed. Secondaries matter, after all, and the old relics often had better secondaries than their raid counterparts (once equal in item level, of course).