Tomestones.. Again.. for a relic..

[Seraphor]

The Devs cant win.
Its been proven each, and every expansion, no matter what the method is, people will complain.
And then the next Expansion, people will say they liked the last method.

I feel for this team.
Its never good enough

I would usually be of this attitude, but this time it really is just far too lazy and barebones.
They could have easily implemented a system just as simple, which incentivised running ANY specific content, like I mentioned in my post above, Moogle Tomestones are more interesting than this.

[Liam_Harper]

I love the comments blaming players who "asked" for this.

If you're a professional multi-billion dollar gaming company with decades of experience and the best you can do is "farm 1500 tomes" because a handful of players "told you to", you don't deserve customers. You should be capable of making a good game by yourself, like thousands of other gaming companies out there are perfectly capable of doing.

[Ath192]

The player base asked for this. They want everything to be super easy and casual and well, nothings easier than doing nothing at all if you’re capped right?

Relics were supposed to be something special, and normally you’d only get one or two for your main classes, that’s why there’s an assortment of other weapons that are easier to get. But everyone wanted everything for all their jobs so they just give them away like candy now.

It’s easier for the devs too. They don’t need to think things out if all you need is tomestones.

[alibutterfly]

While I do like not being locked into a separate field area where I can't queue for anything else, a la Eureka or Bozja, in order to grind out my relic stuff, this does feel... not great.

As others have already pointed out, Eureka Orthos released today. The Variant/Criterion dungeons are still very new. Why not try to funnel people into that content?

Heck, why not try to funnel them into ANY specific content to try to keep player engagement up? Wasn't that part of the point of the grind steps on older relics, to keep people running older content so that the queues wouldn't die and newer players could actually get through it later, since people would always ostensibly be working on a relic at some point?

My long-term goal is to have every relic weapon for every class in the game (maybe minus the final step of the SB ones that require BA runs in order to complete). This is what I usually work on in "down-time" between new content patches. At this point, the finish line is somewhat in sight, so to have this that can just be completed very easily is kind of... disheartening? It will give me less reason to keep playing on my main.

[ForteNightshade]

So, we're literally just repeating the same step? Really? We've gotten to this level of making things as simple as possible that we're just doing the exact same thing we did in the first step? I'd rather have CT spam.

This actually makes me a little irritated and I question what the devs have been doing. It's fair to blame it on 16 taking up dev time but then personally they should be trying to hire more people to pick up the slack because it's not really fair to those of us who want a deeper experience with the game. Endwalker so far has been a disappointment and it upsets me to say that because I genuinely love this game. Lately though, it just feels like nothing really has much purpose to it and I don't get that same sense of achievement that I used to when completing content. It all just feels very surface and barebones and sad compared to previous expansions.

I was honestly excited to log in early and start doing the new content but now that it can be completed in literally 30m-1h (doing the deep dungeon in the afternoon with my quartet), I don't see a point.

This is precisely how I feel. While I had low expectations for this patch considering the shallow state of Endwalker, I'm still surprised just how... listless and uninspired the relic is. Ironically, they have really hammered in how utterly pointless it is to delay the relic step this long. Anyone who once tried to argue they needed time to develop new content... well, have yourself a good laugh. Our "new content" is farming the same hunt trains and dungeons that have existed for months.

What was shown in the character portraits is beyond what modders can do with the base game even on a shader level...anyone can tell you that. Yeah modders can make textures look nice...but they don't have a PBR tied to them or soft shadows that's without even seeing the material work for the environment yet or even the lighting adjustments...modders can do some things but to say they have done that always is laughable at best. The only thing they're ahead on is putting hats on races that can't wear them.

While Stormpeaks is being too aggressive on the opposite side, you're severely underestimating what modders have accomplished. The two most popular body mods literally remake your entire character. They aren't simply a texture update but a whole new body built off the base one. For specifics, just look up feet. Our default character doesn't have actual toes but drawn on black lines on stubs. Both body mods constructed a brand new foot that seamlessly meshes into the game. Clothing mods are on a whole different scale too. Of course, it should be noted it's far easier for modders to make improvements like this than the developers themselves as they don't have to factor in coding and making it all function server side. At the same time, it isn't a good look when they're still releasing hats Viera and Hrothgar can't wear but modders figured it out years ago.

[caffe_macchiato]

Nope. Still the best MMO. Still better than WoW, and 100% of critics agree. People say there’s not much to do in this patch, and you know what? That’s a good thing. You see, it gives us time to play other games. Just think: we pay $13 a month to play all the other games that we want, all while being able to AFK and socialize with our friends in FFXIV. Isn’t that exciting? Besides, there’s so much to do. Old content like Crystal Tower never gets obsolete, unlike WoW where they deleted half the game or something. Oh, and did I mention that WoW is, like, run by Blizzard? Come on, we have it so good here. And if you don’t want to play, then don’t play. Take a break and come back. Or don’t come back, because this game might not be for you. It’s a single-player JRPG first and an MMO second. Myself, I love re-watching cutscenes and have done New Game+ twice already. Just because you’re not having fun doesn’t mean FFXIV is a bad game. There are millions of people who like the game as-is. In fact, 27 million people came to FFXIV to enjoy the game as-is. They don’t want us like being like WoW. If you like their game, then go play that instead. The rest of us are fine.

[Valkyrie_Lenneth]

This is precisely how I feel. While I had low expectations for this patch considering the shallow state of Endwalker, I'm still surprised just how... listless and uninspired the relic is. Ironically, they have really hammered in how utterly pointless it is to delay the relic step this long. Anyone who once tried to argue they needed time to develop new content... well, have yourself a good laugh. Our "new content" is farming the same hunt trains and dungeons that have existed for months.



While Stormpeaks is being too aggressive on the opposite side, you're severely underestimating what modders have accomplished. The two most popular body mods literally remake your entire character. They aren't simply a texture update but a whole new body built off the base one. For specifics, just look up feet. Our default character doesn't have actual toes but drawn on black lines on stubs. Both body mods constructed a brand new foot that seamlessly meshes into the game. Clothing mods are on a whole different scale too. Of course, it should be noted it's far easier for modders to make improvements like this than the developers themselves as they don't have to factor in coding and making it all function server side. At the same time, it isn't a good look when they're still releasing hats Viera and Hrothgar can't wear but modders figured it out years ago.

Clothing mods me hair mods tend to look horrendous though. You think SE is lazy but so many of these are just... Flat

[Stormpeaks]

Clothing mods me hair mods tend to look horrendous though. You think SE is lazy but so many of these are just... Flat

Or maybe you just look at the wrong ones, the game with mods is literally an entirely different game, and actually makes it look good.

[Khryseis_Astra]

This is only the second stage though right? Aren’t there usually 4 or 5 steps to a relic weapon? Maybe the later steps will be more grindy for those that want it. Working, so I haven’t had a chance to get on and do the quests yet.

[Moonsprite]

People complained about ARR relic grind, HW light farms, Eureka, Bozja/Zadnor, and the alternative content being forced to do what was optimal to earn memories faster. I suppose the devs feel doing the entire hildibrand series through endwalker is grind enough. I only did a few relics in ShB because honestly I didn’t like the way most of them looked, wasn’t into the whole militia look or judge stuff. I did like the way it was implemented though (fates, DR, special actions/buffs). Bozja was also the deep dungeon alternative for leveling, this time we got the deep dungeon instead.

It could be the number of jobs and weapons and they feel people will get burned out grinding them. I personally don’t collect all the relics, I only do my favorite jobs, but some people do all of them. Whatever their reasons are, we get another round of tomes, and it will most likely be this way all of endwalker. People asked for “not being locked to one type of content and forced to do something they don’t like” and now they can be free and use tomes instead. I can see why this happened.